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And traditional things like wins and raw ERA are even worse. At this point you have to look at all numbers together and do your own math, relying on what I believe to be important things for pitchers.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Yes, that\'s why I listed several metrics that speak to career value.  So we can\'t use ERA to evaluate a pitchers performance, raw or adjusted.  We also have to dismiss WAR, WHIP, W/L, et al.  So what numbers that we evaluate together to do our own math can we use?  No-Hitter games admissible?  Since the starting point that people are objecting to is my claim that Perry and Ryan are very different types of pitchers (\'conventional balance\' vs. the K/BB artist) who produced similar value, what numbers can you use to speak against my claim, on a logical, mathematical level instead of an emotional one?\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2471314" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2471314 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2471314_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">G1911</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=617532">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=617532" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to G1911</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=617532" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by G1911</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2471314 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2471314 -' + '->';
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So we can\'t use ERA to evaluate a pitchers performance, raw or adjusted.  We also have to dismiss WAR, WHIP, W/L, et al.  So what numbers that we evaluate together to do our own math can we use?  No-Hitter games admissible?  Since the starting point that people are objecting to is my claim that Perry and Ryan are very different types of pitchers (\'conventional balance\' vs. the K/BB artist) who produced similar value, what numbers can you use to speak against my claim, on a logical, mathematical level instead of an emotional one?</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Several people have listed stats they believe show more value. You just choose to ignore them. You reply with, "Yeah, but the strikeouts are balanced by the walks..." Statisticians are learning just how valuable strikeouts are, and the walk rate must be much higher than Ryan\'s to balance it out. 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You just choose to ignore them. You reply with, "Yeah, but the strikeouts are balanced by the walks..." Statisticians are learning just how valuable strikeouts are, and the walk rate must be much higher than Ryan\'s to balance it out. There are many benefits to a ball not being put in play.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nBut again, I never said you can\'t evaluate value how you want. You are free to believe they provided similar value. Myself and others just disagree. While baseball is tied closely to numbers, it\'s also an art to evaluate value. There are 9 players on defense, and no two pitchers are facing the same circumstances. It\'s just not as simple as you are trying to make it. But I get it, you have a conclusion you want to reach, and you can choose numbers to bear it out. No big deal. No need to get so defensive about it. For someone so worried about removing emotion, you sure employ a lot of it in your responses.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>The only numbers other people have put forth are K\'s (and that BB\'s don\'t really matter, even when they end up scoring, for reasons that remain mysterious).  I said at the very start and have repeated again and again and again and again that my argument is that they produced similar value while being different types of pitchers.  Ryan got different outs than Perry did.  That is the starting point I made and have made over and over and over that you all want to object too but cannot find an argument against.  Yet again, the starting point is that Ryan and Perry gave up runs and saved runs in different ways.  We know that.  Ryan struck out way more, Perry walked way less and had the better SO/B ratio.  Perry got more outs via other means, Ryan gave up less runs on hits.  Over a very, very large sample size of 5,350 and 5,386 innings, they added up to very similar career values.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nCan you identify any mathematical basis on which to criticize this claim? You are only able to identify that you <i>agree</i> with half of what I said at the very start, that Ryan is a K pitcher and Perry really wasn\'t so much.  If your argument is that you reject any career value based numbers, agree with half of my original assertion, and the half you disagree with is because you are practiced artist at evaluating value in a way you cannot define or show, that is not a compelling argument, or logical.  If someone made your same argument for a pitcher you didn\'t like or demand come out on top just because of the art of undefinable evaluation, you would surely recognize this makes no sense.  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They both pitched a similar amount of innings and even though everyone is talking about walks, over more than 5,300 innings Ryan gave up only 65 more runs while walking around 1,400 more batters. Pretty negligible over the long haul despite everyone saying walks equate to runs. Seems more like it depends who’s on the mound than it does whether a guy gets on base.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Interesting.  Ryan gave up 65 more runs, with far more walks and far less hits.  Seems like that tiny gap of only 65 runs comes to a total performance that is, what\'s the phrase for it... pretty similar.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2471338" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2471338 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2471338_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">G1911</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=617532">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=617532" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to G1911</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=617532" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by G1911</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2471338 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2471338 -' + '->';
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The choice is clear. You choose Ryan every time.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nThis is so bizarre to me. The strikeout and the flamethrower are the main attractions on the mound. People are talking about Jim Palmer and Gaylord Perry in relation to the unicorn. It’s like saying you’d rather watch Ichiro hit over Babe Ruth.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Think about it.  In your example you chose to use to support this, Ryan gives up 65 MORE runs in 36 more innings.  The primary job of a pitcher is to save runs, and Perry and Ryan were very similarly good at it.  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In your example you chose to use to support this, Ryan gives up 65 MORE runs in 36 more innings.  The primary job of a pitcher is to save runs, and Perry and Ryan were very similarly good at it.  But in your own example chosen for your argument, Perry is slightly better lol</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Why would anyone choose Perry over Ryan if you assume a similar outcome? 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Why would anyone choose Perry over Ryan if you assume a similar outcome? Ryan might strikeout 20 guys or throw a no hitter at any time whereas Perry might junk enough to keep people guessing.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>My argument is that they are pretty similar in career value.  It is not that Perry is much better.  I don\'t know why you chose to argue that Ryan giving up slightly more runs than Perry makes Ryan significantly better, to a degree where it\'s like comparing Ichiro to Ruth\'s value.  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That’s not something I think anyone would do even if you said they were equally good. The reason is because of Ryan’s arm and the potential to see something incredible. That’s also the reason why his cards sell for more money. This is a thread about value in relation to cards.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>I never said equal.  I said they are pretty similar.  Like 100 times now, because you all want something easier to argue against than the plainly true statement that they produced pretty similar value over their careers while being 2 different types of pitchers.  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In your example you chose to use to support this, Ryan gives up 65 MORE runs in 36 more innings.  The primary job of a pitcher is to save runs, and Perry and Ryan were very similarly good at it.  But in your own example chosen for your argument, Perry is slightly better lol</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>If the goal was to win, then yes, Perry was a better pitcher - as were many - than Nolan Ryan. I go down enough of these rabbit holes on Facebook, but the general theme is that there is nobody quite like Nolan Ryan if you are looking for "bad team" excuses as to why he didn\'t somehow win 400 games in 27 years or something like that. 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I go down enough of these rabbit holes on Facebook, but the general theme is that there is nobody quite like Nolan Ryan if you are looking for "bad team" excuses as to why he didn\'t somehow win 400 games in 27 years or something like that. It\'s always been odd to me that you don\'t hear such excuses for pitchers like Sandy Koufax or Bob Gibson - who also played on notoriously low scoring teams - but lifted them to be successful anyway.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>I would never object to people saying Ryan was exciting, or their favorite, or they like him best, or he had a valuable career, or how his 27 seasons is incredible.  It is plainly true that his value just isn\'t all that special.  People can like whatever they like, and can be factually correct while describing his unique career.  <br />\r\n<br />\r\nBut Ryan is about the top of the list when it comes to plainly false arguments made for players in discourse.  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They both pitched a similar amount of innings and even though everyone is talking about walks, over more than 5,300 innings Ryan gave up only 65 more runs while walking around 1,400 more batters. Pretty negligible over the long haul despite everyone saying walks equate to runs. Seems more like it depends who’s on the mound than it does whether a guy gets on base.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div><br />\r\n<div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px; ">\r\n	<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px">Quote:</div>\r\n	<table cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset">\r\n			\r\n				<div>\r\n					Originally Posted by <strong>packs</strong>\r\n					<a href="showthread.php?p=2471341#post2471341" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/buttons/viewpost.gif" border="0" alt="View Post" /></a>\r\n				</div>\r\n				<div style="font-style:italic">Yeah so why would anyone choose Gaylord Perry if they could have Nolan Ryan’s arm? The choice is clear. You choose Ryan every time.<br />\r\n<br />\r\nThis is so bizarre to me. The strikeout and the flamethrower are the main attractions on the mound. People are talking about Jim Palmer and Gaylord Perry in relation to the unicorn. 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Only that if you assume two similar performances anyway I&#8217;m pretty sure you&#8217;re still going to pick Nolan Ryan over Gaylord Perry.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>True. Though I like the old replays of the vaseline ball dancing, (what was that one game where Reggie Jackson got so pissed at him...) and Gaylord\'s insane routine brushing his hair and trying to trick the umps, LOL.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Postwar stars &amp; HOF\'ers. Cubs of all eras. 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It is plainly true that his value just isn\'t all that special.  People can like whatever they like, and can be factually correct while describing his unique career.  <br />\n<br />\n<br />\n<br />\nBut Ryan is about the top of the list when it comes to plainly false arguments made for players in discourse.  We\'re now at the point where people are arguing Ryan is better <i>because he only gave up a few more runs than Perry</i>.  You can\'t make this stuff up lol.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div><br />\n<br />\nI get pigeonholed anymore to be something that I\'m not. I\'m a huge Nolan Ryan fan; he was one of my favorites growing up. His RC is one of my prized possessions. I just get ticked off out in "everybody has to be better than someone and we have to quantify it" land on social media where many insinuate that Ryan is the farm animal better than anyone else, or somehow equates with Johnson or Mathewson or (insert any other #1 pitcher from any other era). 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The strikeout and the flamethrower are the main attractions on the mound. People are talking about Jim Palmer and Gaylord Perry in relation to the unicorn. It’s like saying you’d rather watch Ichiro hit over Babe Ruth.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>A lot of people, including myself are interested in seeing their team WIN over everything else. If that\'s your goal over and above seeing fireballers then there could be a lot of pitchers you\'d want to watch before Nolan Ryan.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Postwar stars &amp; HOF\'ers. Cubs of all eras. 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Ryan gave up 65 more runs, with far more walks and far less hits.  Seems like that tiny gap of only 65 runs comes to a total performance that is, what\'s the phrase for it... pretty similar.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Runs is a stat that relies upon a 9 person defense. Suggesting the entirety of the fault for the run is on the pitcher just shows a lack of baseball acumen. 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Suggesting the entirety of the fault for the run is on the pitcher just shows a lack of baseball acumen. Most traditional pitching stats make this same mistake (as do other defensive stats as well).</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Is it FIP that supposedly takes this into account?\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Four phrases I nave coined that sum up today\'s hobby:<br />\r\nNo consequences.<br />\r\nStuff trumps all.<br />\r\nThe flip is the commoodity.<br />\r\nAnimal Farm grading.\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2471409" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2471409 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2471409_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">Peter_Spaeth</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=43">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2471409 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2471409 -' + '->';
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Suggesting the entirety of the fault for the run is on the pitcher just shows a lack of baseball acumen. Most traditional pitching stats make this same mistake (as do other defensive stats as well).</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>If you read the transcript, you will note this stat was not my idea to use and not part of my argument.  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I get you want to dismiss ERA, WHIP, WAR, FIP, et al. in favor of using your indefinable art of analysis to rank people, but I\'d suggest doing so suggests a lack of baseball acumen and math.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>There has been quite a movement in the 21st century to divorce pitching stats "that matter" from wins / team performance. I\'m not a huge fan of that. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nYes, those pitching stats which make more sense in terms of how a pitcher contributes to wins or at least saving runs tell more of a story than some of the broader old ones, but this is the same crowd that wants to (mostly) forget about things like Nolan Ryan\'s massive (2700?) BB totals. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nYes, one can make the argument that it "doesn\'t matter" in context of his overall career ERA, which is still pretty darn respectable at 3.19 for nearly three solid decades of pitching. 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I\'m not a huge fan of that. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nYes, those pitching stats which make more sense in terms of how a pitcher contributes to wins or at least saving runs tell more of a story than some of the broader old ones, but this is the same crowd that wants to (mostly) forget about things like Nolan Ryan\'s massive (2700?) BB totals. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nYes, one can make the argument that it "doesn\'t matter" in context of his overall career ERA, which is still pretty darn respectable at 3.19 for nearly three solid decades of pitching. But these same people who want to call Ryan "the GOAT" - what if his ERA was 2.86 like his former teammate Tom Seaver, (or Jim Palmer, who had exactly the same figure). How many wins in addition to his 324 would Ryan have had then? How much above .500 more would his overall winning percentage be?</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>There\'s much to be said for modern analytics, and against it in favor of the older methods, but my point here is that when it comes to Ryan vs. Perry, it just doesn\'t matter.  Any career value based analysis, using the old or the new, comes to the same thing - their values are pretty similar.  For example, if we use raw ERA (the old favorite) or ERA+ (the modern favorite) or FIP (the trendier new) that evaluate the same thing, they are very close together in all 3.  Hence why the Ryan fanboys have to deny the use of any statistics that speak to overall value - because none of it comes out where they demand it come out too.  The only admissible stats are ones that do not speak to overall value, but to how a pitcher achieved value (like K\'s, BB\'s, hits, that tell us what kind of a hurler Ryan was and Perry was - how they got those outs and gave up those runs over the large sample)\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2471429" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2471429 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2471429_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">G1911</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=617532">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=617532" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to G1911</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=617532" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by G1911</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2471429 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2471429 -' + '->';
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Even by traditional numbers -' + '- 300 plus wins, 3.11 ERA, 5 20 win seasons, 2 Cy Youngs, 3500 Ks.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Perry never administered an epic beatdown to an opposing player half his age with the temerity to charge the mound.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Trying to wrap up my master mays set, with just a few left:<br />\r\n<br />\r\n1968 American Oil left side<br />\r\n1971 Bazooka numbered complete panel\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- edit note -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n				<em>\r\n					\r\n						Last edited by raulus; 10-30-2024 at <span class="time">04:23 PM</span>.\r\n					\r\n					\r\n				</em>\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / edit note -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2471452" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2471452 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2471452_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">raulus</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=883728">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=883728" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to raulus</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=883728" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by raulus</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2471452 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2471452 -' + '->';
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Even by traditional numbers -' + '- 300 plus wins, 3.11 ERA, 5 20 win seasons, 2 Cy Youngs, 3500 Ks.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>But Perry didn\'t have 7 no-hitters, or throw 140 MPH.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Postwar stars &amp; HOF\'ers. Cubs of all eras. 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Or 19 games, or 30 something games, or however many games you want to look out if you look at his 3+ hitter games. <br />\n<br />\nRyan had decisions in 616 games over 27 years. He started 773 games. And appeared in 807 total games. It just seems to me like the extreme spotlight on what are still at the end of the day statistical oddity games - is a bit strange. Steve Carlton never pitched a no-hitter. Roger Clemens, for a hard thrower - didn\'t either. Bob Gibson, Jim Palmer, and Tom Seaver each pitched one.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Postwar stars &amp; HOF\'ers. Cubs of all eras. 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Or 19 games, or 30 something games, or however many games you want to look out if you look at his 3+ hitter games. <br />\r\n<br />\r\nRyan had decisions in 616 games over 27 years. He started 773 games. And appeared in 807 total games. It just seems to me like the extreme spotlight on what are still at the end of the day statistical oddity games - is a bit strange. Steve Carlton never pitched a no-hitter. Roger Clemens, for a hard thrower - didn\'t either. Bob Gibson, Jim Palmer, and Tom Seaver each pitched one.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Surprised Clemens did not throw one, he is exactly the kind of pitcher likeliest to achieve a no hitter.  K guys on a good control day, longevity upping the odds.  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K guys on a good control day, longevity upping the odds.  That\'s a surprising one.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Agreed, he would have been much more likely to throw a no-hitter you would think than Jim Palmer. But just goes to show you how even for those blessed with speed - a no-hitter is still a statistical oddity game.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Postwar stars &amp; HOF\'ers. Cubs of all eras. 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K guys on a good control day, longevity upping the odds.  That\'s a surprising one.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Grove didn\'t pitch one I don\'t think.  As unhittable as he could be at times, Maddux did not either.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Four phrases I nave coined that sum up today\'s hobby:<br />\r\nNo consequences.<br />\r\nStuff trumps all.<br />\r\nThe flip is the commoodity.<br />\r\nAnimal Farm grading.\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2471375" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2471375 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2471375_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">Peter_Spaeth</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=43">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2471375 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2471375 -' + '->';
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Give me Seaver or Carlton. But I know pitching, and Ryan was simply a better pitcher than Perry. Unfortunately, if anyone disagrees with G1911\'s hot takes (which he knows is controversial, which is why he posts it), he calls them blind fanboys thinking with emotion. 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Give me Seaver or Carlton. But I know pitching, and Ryan was simply a better pitcher than Perry. Unfortunately, if anyone disagrees with G1911\'s hot takes (which he knows is controversial, which is why he posts it), he calls them blind fanboys thinking with emotion. Ironically, he is so convinced Ryan is overrated that he is emotionally tied to that position and can\'t stand that people disagree.</div>\r\n			\r\n		</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>Surely you don\'t expect your say so to convince anyone, though.  With 48 years of data, I think you\'ll need a persuasive argument based on numbers.\r\n		</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- sig -' + '->\r\n			<div>\r\n				__________________<br />\r\n				Four phrases I nave coined that sum up today\'s hobby:<br />\r\nNo consequences.<br />\r\nStuff trumps all.<br />\r\nThe flip is the commoodity.<br />\r\nAnimal Farm grading.\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n\r\n		\r\n		<!-' + '- edit note -' + '->\r\n			<div class="smallfont">\r\n				<hr size="1" style="color:#D1D1E1; background-color:#D1D1E1" />\r\n				<em>\r\n					\r\n						Last edited by Peter_Spaeth; 10-30-2024 at <span class="time">04:51 PM</span>.\r\n					\r\n					\r\n				</em>\r\n			</div>\r\n		<!-' + '- / edit note -' + '->\r\n		\r\n\r\n		<div style="margin-top: 10px" align="right">\r\n			<!-' + '- controls -' + '->\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				<a href="newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;p=2471459" rel="nofollow"><img src="images/buttons/quote.gif" alt="Reply With Quote" border="0" /></a>\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			\r\n				\r\n			\r\n			\r\n			<!-' + '- / controls -' + '->\r\n		</div>\r\n\r\n	<!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n	</td>\r\n</tr>\r\n</table>\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- post 2471459 popup menu -' + '->\r\n<div class="vbmenu_popup" id="postmenu_2471459_menu" style="display:none;">\r\n	<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" border="0">\r\n	<tr>\r\n		<td class="thead">Peter_Spaeth</td>\r\n	</tr>\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="member.php?u=43">View Public Profile</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="private.php?do=newpm&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Send a private message to Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n		<tr><td class="vbmenu_option"><a href="search.php?do=finduser&amp;u=43" rel="nofollow">Find all posts by Peter_Spaeth</a></td></tr>\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	\r\n	</table>\r\n</div>\r\n<!-' + '- / post 2471459 popup menu -' + '->\r\n\r\n\r\n	</div>\r\n	\r\n		</div>\r\n	</div>\r\n</div>\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / close content container -' + '->\r\n\r\n<!-' + '- / post #2471459 -' + '->';
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			I brought up his runs because if you assume everything is equal between them why would you still pick Perry? That’s not something I think anyone would do even if you said they were equally good. The reason is because of Ryan’s arm and the potential to see something incredible. That’s also the reason why his cards sell for more money. This is a thread about value in relation to cards.
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