Most undervalued HOFers

[packs]

He ranked him higher that doesn’t mean anything about who is the pitcher you want between them. I don’t think anyone chooses Perry over Ryan on a one on one basis because everyone would prefer Ryan. So does the hobby. The reasons are the same.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

He ranked him higher that doesn’t mean anything about who is the pitcher you want between them. I don’t think anyone chooses Perry over Ryan on a one on one basis because everyone would prefer Ryan. So does the hobby. The reasons are the same.

Mhm.

Originally Posted by packs

There is no one on earth who would select Perry over Ryan.

Selecting Perry over Ryan on his list is not, in fact, selecting Perry over Ryan. Got it.

I have learned so much today. Can't wait for the next argument that surely will make logical. sense.

[packs]

Baseball Reference ranks Cy Young the second best pitcher of all time but I would not choose him over Nolan Ryan either.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

Baseball Reference ranks Cy Young the second best pitcher of all time but I would not choose him over Nolan Ryan either.

Irrelevant. You said

Originally Posted by packs

There is no one on earth who would select Perry over Ryan.

Then I named a relevant expert, already stated in this thread, who very literally and factually did and now you are pretending that selecting Perry over Ryan doesn't count because it was a numbered list.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Baseball Reference ranks Cy Young the second best pitcher of all time but I would not choose him over Nolan Ryan either.

Well I respect everyone's opinion, but that is really pushing it.

Fine, I would take Ichiro over Cobb. Bryce Harper over Ruth. Kiki Hernandez over Joe Morgan.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Well I respect everyone's opinion, but that is really pushing it.

Fine, I would take Ichiro over Cobb. Bryce Harper over Ruth. Kiki Hernandez over Joe Morgan.

Well, you see, once someone rejects the concepts of both math and language, any and every statement can be said to be true.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Well, you see, once someone rejects the concepts of both math and language, any and every statement can be said to be true.

I feel like I'm in a Kafka novel or something. Someone's ranking of pitchers does not imply that that someone would take the higher ranked one over the lower ranked one. Now, you are a housepainter?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I feel like I'm in a Kafka novel or something. Someone's ranking of pitchers does not imply that that someone would take the higher ranked one over the lower ranked one. Now, you are a housepainter?

It does not count, because how we do know Bill James is a person on Earth and not a space cyborg pretending to be a person?

Great novella.

[packs]

You listed a ranking not anyone who would choose Perry over Ryan. I listed a ranking that also puts Phil Niekro at 14 and Bert Blyleven at 15 all time. I would not start them over Nolan Ryan either.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

You listed a ranking not anyone who would choose Perry over Ryan. I listed a ranking that also puts Phil Niekro at 14 and Bert Blyleven at 15 all time. I would not start them over Nolan Ryan either.

What YOU would pick is utterly irrelevant to your statement.

You said, since you keep trying to pretend its something else,

Originally Posted by packs

There is no one on earth who would select Perry over Ryan.

James, in actual reality whether you like it or not, very literally did in a numbered list. He selected Perry over Ryan. Whether you agree with that choice is irrelevant to your false claim you made and refuse to walk back.

[packs]

Bill James wasn’t asked the question and his ranking isn’t taking it into consideration. Would you choose Perry over Nolan Ryan? That was the question. The hobby has not.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

He ranked him higher that doesn’t mean anything about who is the pitcher you want between them. I don’t think anyone chooses Perry over Ryan on a one on one basis because everyone would prefer Ryan. So does the hobby. The reasons are the same.

What else does being ranked higher mean, if not that? This is spin I cannot get my head around. Why else do we have these discussions over and over and over again, if implicit in them is not who you would take between the players involved?

I need a drink, and I don't drink.