Revisiting 1963 Topps Mantle Potential Color Variant

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I'm still struggling to understand your point. You're saying you can purposely manipulate cards to mirror this wear, but how does that confirm that this type of wear is natural?

It seems logical to me. He is saying he can accelerate what would be a longer, natural process of sun fading, to show the effect fading can have on color.

[packs]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It seems logical to me. He is saying he can accelerate what would be a longer, natural process of sun fading, to show the effect fading can have on color.

Not to me he's not. He's saying he can match color. But that doesn't mean the sun will do the same thing. It just means he found a way to match the color.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Why does the face look washed out?

[packs]

I think it's because the card is incomplete. Just like when you see T206's that are fuzzed out and not fully printed. Those yellow and brown T206's don't seem to be the product of fading to me and I wouldn't say the images are as sharp as completed cards either.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I think it's because the card is incomplete. Just like when you see T206's that are fuzzed out and not fully printed. Those yellow and brown T206's don't seem to be the product of fading to me and I wouldn't say the images are as sharp as completed cards either.

I dunno, face looks to me like it's just faded and not missing something in the printing process.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Why does the face look washed out?

Because it’s a faded card .

You can make these in under 48 hours with the right light. You can also cover areas of the card to create specific areas missing green or missing yellow, and to prevent other areas of the card from fading. There’s a reason we see more superstar cards like this every year. The flood will probably come soon, it’s not only a natural type of damage but easily mimicked.

[packs]

Originally Posted by G1911

Because it’s a faded card .

You can make these in under 48 hours with the right light. You can also cover areas of the card to create specific areas missing green or missing yellow, and to prevent other areas of the card from fading. There’s a reason we see more superstar cards like this every year. The flood will probably come soon, it’s not only a natural type of damage but easily mimicked.

I bought my card three or four years ago. I've been looking for similar cards since. I have found the two I posted.

But I don't just look for Mantle. I look at a lot of 63 Topps cards. If you can post another card from the set that is supposed to be green but is blue instead, I would appreciate seeing it.

If the wear is natural, it should occur the same way for other cards. I haven't been able to find them.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

I bought my card three or four years ago. I've been looking for similar cards since. I have found the two I posted.

But I don't just look for Mantle. I look at a lot of 63 Topps cards. If you can post another card from the set that is supposed to be green but is blue instead, I would appreciate seeing it.

If the wear is natural, it should occur the same way for other cards. I haven't been able to find them.

Superstars are the ones that sit in dealer cases/display for years. They are also the people who can do exactly what I can (which takes little knowledge and no talent) will do if they're scammers looking to make money off people who want to believe they have/bought something special that is not.

You can just go make any green 1963 subject a blue in a day or two with the right light. I believe the full process has even been posted here before and numerous examples have been shown in other threads. You want 100 commons like this, just go make them for yourself. You'll see them occasionally, I've owned a couple I threw into my bulk lots of dupes I sell/trade off because they are just damaged cards and not in any way special or errors.

[packs]

Originally Posted by G1911

Superstars are the ones that sit in dealer cases/display for years. They are also the people who can do exactly what I can (which takes little knowledge and no talent) will do if they're scammers looking to make money off people who want to believe they have/bought something special that is not.

You can just go make any green 1963 subject a blue in a day or two with the right light. I believe the full process has even been posted here before and numerous examples have been shown in other threads. You want 100 commons like this, just go make them for yourself. You'll see them occasionally, I've owned a couple I threw into my bulk lots of dupes I sell/trade off because they are just damaged cards and not in any way special or errors.

None of the Mantles I posted were advertised as anything other than a 1963 Topps Mickey Mantle in the stated grade.

I would think if you manipulated a card because you wanted to cash in, you would advertise there was something different about it.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Because it’s a faded card .

You can make these in under 48 hours with the right light. You can also cover areas of the card to create specific areas missing green or missing yellow, and to prevent other areas of the card from fading. There’s a reason we see more superstar cards like this every year. The flood will probably come soon, it’s not only a natural type of damage but easily mimicked.

This all day.

It's a good thing we are good guys and not like those that have been selling them for decades on eBay.

[packs]

Just show me another card from the set with the same issue. Any card. I would really appreciate seeing one.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This all day.

It's a good thing we are good guys and not like those that have been selling them for decades on eBay.

The one that really bothers me is the 69 Mantle. The White Letters is a legitimate error that was printed that way, but by using this same method and covering the other areas of the card, you can just make a white letters at home that is not readily distinguishable from the real authentic variation of that card. As a variations collector this one really bugs me because it's not obvious BS like the 58 Aaron, a 63 Mantle, or these other fade jobs.