Revisiting 1963 Topps Mantle Potential Color Variant

JollyElm · #1 10-02-2024, 02:25 PM

You kind of have a no-win situation here, because there's no way to actually prove beyond reason whether it's a printing issue or just some 'window toast.'

On the face of it, they all definitely have the appearance of being sun-scorched, so it's an uphill battle to convince people otherwise.
Doesn't mean that's what happened, but in the old 'think horses, not zebras' manner, it would be the simplest answer. But, who the eff knows???

On a side note, I downloaded the pic and it sure does look like there is some yellow ink in the horizontal nameplate area of the SGC 2. That sort of highlights the problem. If any of these are in fact missing ink variations, it wouldn't mean that they all are. Again, you got yourself a no-win situation. YOWZA!!

Good luck with it all!!!

bnorth · #2 10-02-2024, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyElm

You kind of have a no-win situation here, because there's no way to actually prove beyond reason whether it's a printing issue or just some 'window toast.'

On the face of it, they all definitely have the appearance of being sun-scorched, so it's an uphill battle to convince people otherwise.
Doesn't mean that's what happened, but in the old 'think horses, not zebras' manner, it would be the simplest answer. But, who the eff knows???

On a side note, I downloaded the pic and it sure does look like there is some yellow ink in the horizontal nameplate area of the SGC 2. That sort of highlights the problem. If any of these are in fact missing ink variations, it wouldn't mean that they all are. Again, you got yourself a no-win situation. YOWZA!!

Good luck with it all!!!

In hand if you are shown what to look for it is really easy to see the difference between a missing color card and a faded one. Simple version: Put a nice full color version on the table. Then set your Mystery card beside it. If it looks dull in color it is faded. If it looks exactly the same with nice bright colors except one color is missing it is a real print error.

I love print errors and had to learn this lesson the hard very expensive way. I was beyond pissed off when I learned 99% of the cards I had paid good premiums for from supposed hobby good guys was a bunch of faded garbage from the hobby scum.

packs · #3 10-02-2024, 02:49 PM

My own personal theory is the card is missing color and if it had all of the color it was meant to receive, it would pop like the cards you're used to seeing. And it would fade the same way if it were faded, i.e. not turn blue but a more tired version of green.

That's my theory anyway. I think the entire front of the card is incomplete, not just the box.

If anyone at all has a 1963 Topps card that is similar I'd love to see it. It would be easier to debate whether the cards would fade this way if they were faded. Especially if the card was from an entirely different series.

bnorth · #4 10-02-2024, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

My own personal theory is the card is missing color and if it had all of the color it was meant to receive, it would pop like the cards you're used to seeing. And it would fade the same way if it were faded, i.e. not turn blue but a more tired version of green.

That's my theory anyway. I think the entire front of the card is incomplete, not just the box.

If anyone at all has a 1963 Topps card that is similar I'd love to see it. It would be easier to debate whether the cards would fade this way if they were faded. Especially if the card was from an entirely different series.

If you are paying a premium for them let me know how much and how many you would like to buy.

Here this thread has some pictures of how cards change color when faded.
https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...ank+aaron+blue

packs · #5 10-02-2024, 03:14 PM

Show me a 1963 Topps common that faded into a blue box. It should be simple but it’s not and that’s what I’m pointing out.

There are cards in the set issued with standard blue boxes and the green boxes clearly have blue beneath them. I don’t find this as unusual as you do. If it was an independent color not otherwise in use, sure. But it’s not out of place either.

packs · #6 10-02-2024, 03:25 PM

I�d also like to point out the condition of the cards. Technical grades aside, all three cards are pretty sharp and don�t give me the impression they were cast aside or left unattended for decades in the sun.

bnorth · #7 10-02-2024, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

I�d also like to point out the condition of the cards. Technical grades aside, all three cards are pretty sharp and don�t give me the impression they were cast aside or left unattended for decades in the sun.

OK lets make this extremely simple. YOU send me a 1963 Mantle or any other card from the set with the green bottom plus $500. If I can't turn it blue I will return the card and $1000. After I turn the green blue I will post several pics of the color change on here and return the card to you minus my $500 educational fee. We will use your card that way there is no way of you saying it is a different card. It does not take decades and yes I have done it with a 63 Topps card before.

JollyElm · #8 10-02-2024, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

That's my theory anyway. I think the entire front of the card is incomplete, not just the box.

It's weird that you would purposely misconstrue what I said.

In referring to the horizontal nameplate ("box"), that portion of the normal card is bright green. Since green is the result of mixing yellow and cyan ("blue"), pointing out that there is yellow evident there means there was undoubtedly yellow printed across the ENTIRE front of the card (skin tones, etc.) and wasn't 'missing' (on that one card, at least).
Obviously, it's just the easiest place to spot the color, seeing how green that section was supposed to be, and that's why I specifically referenced it.

Zach Wheat · #9 10-03-2024, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JollyElm

....there's no way to actually prove beyond reason whether it's a printing issue or just some 'window toast.'

"Window toast". Nice one

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