Revisiting 1963 Topps Mantle Potential Color Variant

packs · #1 10-02-2024, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

Because it�s a faded card

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You can make these in under 48 hours with the right light. You can also cover areas of the card to create specific areas missing green or missing yellow, and to prevent other areas of the card from fading. There�s a reason we see more superstar cards like this every year. The flood will probably come soon, it�s not only a natural type of damage but easily mimicked.

I bought my card three or four years ago. I've been looking for similar cards since. I have found the two I posted.

But I don't just look for Mantle. I look at a lot of 63 Topps cards. If you can post another card from the set that is supposed to be green but is blue instead, I would appreciate seeing it.

If the wear is natural, it should occur the same way for other cards. I haven't been able to find them.

G1911 · #2 10-02-2024, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

I bought my card three or four years ago. I've been looking for similar cards since. I have found the two I posted.

But I don't just look for Mantle. I look at a lot of 63 Topps cards. If you can post another card from the set that is supposed to be green but is blue instead, I would appreciate seeing it.

If the wear is natural, it should occur the same way for other cards. I haven't been able to find them.

Superstars are the ones that sit in dealer cases/display for years. They are also the people who can do exactly what I can (which takes little knowledge and no talent) will do if they're scammers looking to make money off people who want to believe they have/bought something special that is not.

You can just go make any green 1963 subject a blue in a day or two with the right light. I believe the full process has even been posted here before and numerous examples have been shown in other threads. You want 100 commons like this, just go make them for yourself. You'll see them occasionally, I've owned a couple I threw into my bulk lots of dupes I sell/trade off because they are just damaged cards and not in any way special or errors.

packs · #3 10-02-2024, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

Superstars are the ones that sit in dealer cases/display for years. They are also the people who can do exactly what I can (which takes little knowledge and no talent) will do if they're scammers looking to make money off people who want to believe they have/bought something special that is not.

You can just go make any green 1963 subject a blue in a day or two with the right light. I believe the full process has even been posted here before and numerous examples have been shown in other threads. You want 100 commons like this, just go make them for yourself. You'll see them occasionally, I've owned a couple I threw into my bulk lots of dupes I sell/trade off because they are just damaged cards and not in any way special or errors.

None of the Mantles I posted were advertised as anything other than a 1963 Topps Mickey Mantle in the stated grade.

I would think if you manipulated a card because you wanted to cash in, you would advertise there was something different about it.

G1911 · #4 10-02-2024, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

None of the Mantles I posted were advertised as anything other than a 1963 Topps Mickey Mantle in the stated grade.

I would think if you manipulated a card because you wanted to cash in, you would advertise there was something different about it.

I didn't say these 3 were or claim to trace the ownership and sales history of these 3. These 3 are likely from display, i.e. a not fraudulent occurrence. An indica of this is the faded overall appearance, and that the blue in the insert photo is a different blue than the faded off green (it would be the same blue if it was printed that way using the blue pass). The fraud ones are usually smart enough to cover the rest of the card so the targeted light to accelerate the natural process doesn't hurt the other colors and only the green or yellow is removed to create an "error". People have been making and selling them for a very long time.

packs · #5 10-02-2024, 04:31 PM

First, it was naturally occurring display damage. Now, it can be done by doing XYZ to it.

If it is natural wear and the sun will turn the box blue on any 63 Topps card, I'm just looking for another example. Please post if you have one.

G1911 · #6 10-02-2024, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

First, it was naturally occurring display damage. Now, it can be done by doing XYZ to it.

If it is natural wear and the sun will turn the box blue on any 63 Topps card, I'm just looking for another example. Please post if you have one.

This is really not difficult or a contradiction. It's how the green ink responds to light. It will happen naturally if a card gets direct sunlight for long enough. You can also easily accelerate this process to make them in less than 48 hours with the right light setup. How is this difficult to understand?

You are welcome to believe whatever you want, it's America. You have a special snowflake if that makes you happy. If you want I'll pull out my half blue 1977 Topps Star Wars I created as my test subjects on Friday when I get home from a trip. You can find examples online easily, including previous threads here.

packs · #7 10-02-2024, 04:54 PM

I understand the sun and what sunlight does but what I question is whether this would be the outcome. I thought it was a good explanation for the one card I had. Then I found two more like it. But I�m having hard time finding other cards with similar wear outside of Mantle. If you have an example please share it.

bnorth · #8 10-02-2024, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

This is really not difficult or a contradiction. It's how the green ink responds to light. It will happen naturally if a card gets direct sunlight for long enough. You can also easily accelerate this process to make them in less than 48 hours with the right light setup. How is this difficult to understand?

You are welcome to believe whatever you want, it's America. You have a special snowflake if that makes you happy. If you want I'll pull out my half blue 1977 Topps Star Wars I created as my test subjects on Friday when I get home from a trip. You can find examples online easily, including previous threads here.

Here is my half faded Ron Jackson. I threw most of the stuff I experimented on away and also like a dumb a$$ never kept notes.

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