Ohtani CARDS are Mostly UNDERVALUED

[jboosted92]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Wrong board, my dude. This is a pre-1945 board. Your topic belongs in the post-1980 section of the Postwar Cards area.

Crap. My bad…

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by jboosted92

Crap. My bad…

Great response. BigfootIsReal could learn a thing or two from you.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Ohtani CARDS are Mostly UNDERVALUED

Or, Ohtani is overrated.




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[raulus]

Next Babe Ruth?

Or…next Pete Rose?

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

The hype machine needed to be turned way down for this guy. You just don't compare someone to Babe Ruth, plain and simple. The odds of living up to such expectations are practically nil. For me personally, all the hype turned me off from caring, but I don't follow modern baseball to begin with.

If the media had toned it down a few notches, far more people would be impressed by him. His stats are pretty nice. .667 PCT over 5 seasons? At this point, he's won exactly twice as many games as he's lost. When Babe Ruth is the bar you're expected to measure up to, you're basically left to twist in the wind if you can't prove you can walk on water.

[Carter08]

I don’t follow him all that much, mostly due to east coast bias, but this year he’ll get his third league MVP award in four years. The year he didn’t win he came in second. Guy is a smooth and powerful wrecking crew. Even if you leave aside the fact that he can be a top line ace (which is a big thing to leave aside), he has to be considered the best or at least a top three player in the game over the last 4 years.

[Kutcher55]

If his cards are priced like he's a modern day Babe Ruth, he is not undervalued. If he continues on this path and hits 500+ HRs and end up in the HOF then yeah I suppose the cards could go up, but more likely he goes the way of Mike Trout cards, which I have heard are down massively from their covid highs, despite the guy being a guaranteed first ballot HOF'er.

[gunboat82]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

The hype machine needed to be turned way down for this guy. You just don't compare someone to Babe Ruth, plain and simple. The odds of living up to such expectations are practically nil. For me personally, all the hype turned me off from caring, but I don't follow modern baseball to begin with.

If the media had toned it down a few notches, far more people would be impressed by him. His stats are pretty nice. .667 PCT over 5 seasons? At this point, he's won exactly twice as many games as he's lost. When Babe Ruth is the bar you're expected to measure up to, you're basically left to twist in the wind if you can't prove you can walk on water.

I don't mind the comparisons, because what Ohtani is doing in this era, relative to his peers, is incredible. We're in an age of intense specialization, where players have dietitians and strength coaches, and pitchers come out of academies that focus on spin rate, stride length, release point, etc. etc.

The fact that Ohtani is able to dominate both half-innings in that environment is incredible. I only wish he weren't doing it for the Dodgers.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by gunboat82

I don't mind the comparisons, because what Ohtani is doing in this era, relative to his peers, is incredible. We're in an age of intense specialization, where players have dietitians and strength coaches, and pitchers come out of academies that focus on spin rate, stride length, release point, etc. etc.

The fact that Ohtani is able to dominate both half-innings in that environment is incredible. I only wish he weren't doing it for the Dodgers.

Fully agree, and your thoughts came to me after I posted. What you wrote can be seen just by checking out his stats. I must say that I was impressed. That was the first time I've given him much of any thought.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

The hype machine needed to be turned way down for this guy. You just don't compare someone to Babe Ruth, plain and simple. The odds of living up to such expectations are practically nil. For me personally, all the hype turned me off from caring, but I don't follow modern baseball to begin with.

If the media had toned it down a few notches, far more people would be impressed by him. His stats are pretty nice. .667 PCT over 5 seasons? At this point, he's won exactly twice as many games as he's lost. When Babe Ruth is the bar you're expected to measure up to, you're basically left to twist in the wind if you can't prove you can walk on water.

You can't compare Ruth and Ohtani. Ruth didn't have the option to pitch and DH. If he had, who knows what he could have been. This year, all Ohtani is doing is hitting, he isn't playing in the field. He has an OPS+ of 174. Ruth's career OPS+ was 206 and he played defense too.

As for pitching, Ruth started 147 games, completed 107 games and threw 17 shutouts. Ohtani has started 86 and had 1 complete game and shutout. Ruth led the league in ERA, something Ohtani is yet to do. Ohtani has a better ERA+, but he only pitches 5 1/2 innings per start, unlike Ruth who was expected to go through the lineup more than twice.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by rats60

You can't compare Ruth and Ohtani. Ruth didn't have the option to pitch and DH. If he had, who knows what he could have been. This year, all Ohtani is doing is hitting, he isn't playing in the field. He has an OPS+ of 174. Ruth's career OPS+ was 206 and he played defense too.

As for pitching, Ruth started 147 games, completed 107 games and threw 17 shutouts. Ohtani has started 86 and had 1 complete game and shutout. Ruth led the league in ERA, something Ohtani is yet to do. Ohtani has a better ERA+, but he only pitches 5 1/2 innings per start, unlike Ruth who was expected to go through the lineup more than twice.

Ohtani faces a higher quality player pool post-segregation. So there’s that.

[oldjudge]

And he is not the best hitter in baseball. That would be Aaron Judge (who also plays a solid outfield).

[jakebeckleyoldeagleeye]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

The hype machine needed to be turned way down for this guy. You just don't compare someone to Babe Ruth, plain and simple. The odds of living up to such expectations are practically nil. For me personally, all the hype turned me off from caring, but I don't follow modern baseball to begin with.

If the media had toned it down a few notches, far more people would be impressed by him. His stats are pretty nice. .667 PCT over 5 seasons? At this point, he's won exactly twice as many games as he's lost. When Babe Ruth is the bar you're expected to measure up to, you're basically left to twist in the wind if you can't prove you can walk on water.

Bobby Witt Jr, Aaron Judge and Soto could show him what they use gloves for. He's just a glorified DH and the MLB poster boy that the MLB Network shoeshine boys promote.

[Peter_Spaeth]

He's a great enough hitter that the Dodgers may not want to risk a career ending injury by letting him pitch again.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by jakebeckleyoldeagleeye

Bobby Witt Jr, Aaron Judge and Soto could show him what they use gloves for. He's just a glorified DH and the MLB poster boy that the MLB Network shoeshine boys promote.

Grantland Rice over here waxing poetically on the guy that’a a two time MVP, on pace for the first 50/50 season in MLB history, made 80 starts over the previous three seasons with a sub 3.00 era, and is recovering from a torn UCL during said first 50/50 season. Truly marvelous.

[NYYFan63]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

The hype machine needed to be turned way down for this guy. You just don't compare someone to Babe Ruth, plain and simple. The odds of living up to such expectations are practically nil. For me personally, all the hype turned me off from caring, but I don't follow modern baseball to begin with.

If the media had toned it down a few notches, far more people would be impressed by him. His stats are pretty nice. .667 PCT over 5 seasons? At this point, he's won exactly twice as many games as he's lost. When Babe Ruth is the bar you're expected to measure up to, you're basically left to twist in the wind if you can't prove you can walk on water.

I agree 100%! The guy has had a couple good years and all of a sudden he is being compared to Babe Ruth? Cmon! And he is 30 years old and a 41 bWar. He wont catch Ruth.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by NYYFan63

I agree 100%! The guy has had a couple good years and all of a sudden he is being compared to Babe Ruth? Cmon! And he is 30 years old and a 41 bWar. He won't catch Ruth.

He was being compared to Ruth before ever crossing the ocean. The first time I heard the comparison, I don't know if my groan was louder than my eye roll. All I could think of was Matsuzaka...just in the sense of a ridiculously highly-touted prospect who cost some team way too much money and failed miserably. I don't wish misfortune on any prospect, but it always feels like the greater the hype, the greater the flop. To hear this kid being compared to Babe Ruth...I just felt bad.

But, much to his credit, he's done well! For all the reasons we've discussed, he will never and could never be Babe Ruth and it was wrong of the media to make that comparison, both for Ohtani's sake and the sake of it being an impossibe, incorrect comparison.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by raulus

Next Babe Ruth?

Or…next Pete Rose?

He's about to become the first 45/45 guy. How is that Pete Rose? Or anything even remotely close to Pete Rose? Rose's career high in HRs was 16 and 20 in SBs.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by calvindog

He's about to become the first 45/45 guy. How is that Pete Rose? Or anything even remotely close to Pete Rose? Rose's career high in HRs was 16 and 20 in SBs.

It was a reference to their potential similarities off the field.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by raulus

It was a reference to their potential similarities off the field.

A silly comparison.

Ippei Mizuhara is being sentenced to a possible 33 years in October. He has been consistently grilled by the FBI and this has been looked at six ways to Sunday. He had every opportunity on earth to give any information that would ease his charges and gets nothing for a large quantity of his life gone. He plead likely to avoid a longer sentence when he was dead to rights guilty.

Ohtani is guilty of being ignorant about his finances but dragging a conspiracy theory forever without a shred of evidence is tinfoil hat territory.

[jboosted92]

Originally Posted by SyrNy1960

Great response. BigfootIsReal could learn a thing or two from you.

based on 100 replies...maybe it was CORRECT location... LOL