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And this is the Jackie he references.
Disturbing, if true. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=130
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At least the altered Irvin card was shipped quickly!
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Zing!
Funny ML pulled one of my graded consignments based on a board members opinion to authenticity. Maybe if they'd known before they could have pulled this.
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Not to single anyone out because most do it, but if you're willing to accept consignments from people with bad reputations or who have now been specifically outed, then inevitably you are going to get some bad cards.
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One word I can use to describe how the hobby in general feels about this in 2023.... Apathetic they just don’t broadly give a Sh$t if it’s in a holder with number grade.
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I believe it has been like that since grading became a thing. A few have always cared but overall nobody cares. I have been on this forum for 10 years now and this has always been the same discussion on here.
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If I was an innocent buyer who learned about this blasphemy, I might have a few sharp question for ML.
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The slab and flip give auction houses the perfect cover. It's a rigged game.
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This times x1000
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Here's a different image from another sale of the same card. 53 Robinson.jpg |
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I'm all for pointing out alterations and outing the guy's that are altering the cards but if they don't limit it to definitive proof they lose credibility IMO. |
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This is the result of the investors beginning to outnumber the collectors. A quick perusal of Blowout Forum (flipper central) will net you a an 80/20 positive thought level on card doctoring. The history is backseat to the profit margin.
Sadly as technology progresses this is what I believe will kill the hobby and many more. I envision a 15-20 window before advancement steps up to repair or create such perfect replicas that they will be virtually indistinguishable from original. The TPGs will be rendered useless and it money for purists will possibly flip to low mid grades in the oldest holsters possible. Who knows, but technology will kill history
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With any luck, the doctors will put themselves out of business by driving down the price for their work.
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I can’t imagine paying $30,000 for a common card of Monte Irvin, altered or not. I spent $3 on my copy, I have a hard time seeing as how removing the creases and giving it sharp corners would increase my enjoyment 10,000 times the current level of enjoyment.
If ‘collectors’ didn’t require validation and a label on a 1-10 scale this fraud would not me so immense and profitable. People’s ego’s needing the highest number is inevitably going to produce astonishing levels of fraud when it is so easy to create the items they are paying silly amounts of money for. How many of us gave up this grading sham once we realized just how fake most of these cards are and the utter incompetence (at best) of PSA to detect it? It seems to mostly be people who never bought in in the first place, people against the fraud but continuing to participate in the game anyways, and people who just don’t care or actively cheerlead or defend fraud. |
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