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Old 04-29-2023, 03:05 PM
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Old 04-29-2023, 03:15 PM
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LOL the hobby is a mess right now. Time to play Zevon's lawyers, guns and money.
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LOL the hobby is a mess right now. Time to play Zevon's lawyers, guns and money.
I think the hobby has been littered with people altering cards more than just right now. Do you think it's more of a mess these days or just more in our face w/the information we get today versus, say, 30 years ago?
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I think the hobby has been littered with people altering cards more than just right now. Do you think it's more of a mess these days or just more in our face w/the information we get today versus, say, 30 years ago?
Altered cards are only part of the mess right now. I agree they have always been a problem, but the failure of law enforcement to do anything about it does to me raise it to a new level of concern. But I am also referring to all the craziness of the modern market, the influencers and pumpers, the vaults, the museum pricing on fixed price sites, the social media idiocy, the youtube videos, all of it LOL.
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I feel every day that goes by brings more uncertainty to collectors' and investors' minds about PWCC’s business practices it’s beginning to pile up massively.
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Altered cards are only part of the mess right now. I agree they have always been a problem, but the failure of law enforcement to do anything about it does to me raise it to a new level of concern. But I am also referring to all the craziness of the modern market, the influencers and pumpers, the vaults, the museum pricing on fixed price sites, the social media idiocy, the youtube videos, all of it LOL.
The concern I have for pwcc is how many collectors have moved their cards from their platform. I know several that have and I envision many more will follow. Too many other options out there.
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Old 04-29-2023, 05:59 PM
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The concern I have for pwcc is how many collectors have moved their cards from their platform. I know several that have and I envision many more will follow. Too many other options out there.
Brent certainly had a first mover advantage but not clear how long he can maintain it in a competitive market.
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….. I agree they have always been a problem, but the failure of law enforcement to do anything about it does to me raise it to a new level of concern…..
What would you like law enforcement to do?

Guy buys oversized card, trims it to an accepted industry size , gets it graded, sells it. Where is the crime?

Did any of the sale ads say it was or wasn’t altered?
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What would you like law enforcement to do?

Guy buys oversized card, trims it to an accepted industry size , gets it graded, sells it. Where is the crime?

Did any of the sale ads say it was or wasn’t altered?
The "experts" at the grading company did.
If you think this is acceptable....
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Did any of the sale ads say it was or wasn’t altered?
Now that's funny. Like selling a stolen bike and saying that the ad didn't say it wasn't stolen.
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Now that's funny. Like selling a stolen bike and saying that the ad didn't say it wasn't stolen.
Or a car with a turned back odometer, without saying whether it had been turned back or not. Nope, no crime there.
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Now that's funny. Like selling a stolen bike and saying that the ad didn't say it wasn't stolen.
Funny….Smart ass responses in leu of an answer….

Nothing was stolen.

Only a guy that “may” have trimmed a card within spec of accepted size. If it’s still within the correct size what crime was committed?

Undersized and graded is another story….
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What would you like law enforcement to do?

Guy buys oversized card, trims it to an accepted industry size , gets it graded, sells it. Where is the crime?

Did any of the sale ads say it was or wasn’t altered?
What you just described is a crime. In the scenario, the alterer is required to disclose he altered them.
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What you just described is a crime. In the scenario, the alterer is required to disclose he altered them.
Fraud 101 -- intentional nondisclosure/concealment of a material fact, in order to induce a sale at a higher price.
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The best plot twist in this entire saga so far, for me, is learning that the SCR clown who shits on PWCC daily, calling anyone and everyone who deals with them unethical, actually had cards in the PWCC Vault himself. LO f***ing L

This guy should run for office somewhere.
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The best plot twist in this entire saga so far, for me, is learning that the SCR clown who shits on PWCC daily, calling anyone and everyone who deals with them unethical, actually had cards in the PWCC Vault himself. LO f***ing L

This guy should run for office somewhere.
Exactly.

I feel he is using their platform to buy and sell flipping cheapo cards through their vault for low fees/costs to prove a point that he and others can easily score making money on the ease and cheap on them avoiding shipping fees etc. He does the same poking fun at PWCC’s Vault Services as he does with Goldins Vault….it’s all about attention. It's comical all the way around.
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The best plot twist in this entire saga so far, for me, is learning that the SCR clown who shits on PWCC daily, calling anyone and everyone who deals with them unethical, actually had cards in the PWCC Vault himself. LO f***ing L

This guy should run for office somewhere.
Definitely caught me off guard when he said that. Just a wee bit hypocritical.
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