Pwcc Csg partnership

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There are innumerable posts about this, over the years, probably starting more than a decade before the FBI investigation and Brent's "cooperation." .

Blowout made the best case, I think. Some of those guys dedicated insane hours to proving it beyond any doubt, over and over and over again.

But anyways, everything is fine and it's the people complaining about criminal fraud that are the problem.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Blowout made the best case, I think. Some of those guys dedicated insane hours to proving it beyond any doubt, over and over and over again.

But anyways, everything is fine and it's the people complaining about criminal fraud that are the problem.

Agreed on BODA. I got to know them a bit (though never their names LOL) and they really did this as a labor of love. Even if things don't work out on the criminal end, IMO they made an incredible contribution to the hobby, if people take advantage of the education they provided.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Agreed on BODA. I got to know them a bit (though never their names LOL) and they really did this as a labor of love. Even if things don't work out on the criminal end, IMO they made an incredible contribution to the hobby, if people take advantage of the education they provided.

They should have gotten more credit and less scorn from the people who stand to lose money from PWCC's downfall.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Blowout made the best case, I think. Some of those guys dedicated insane hours to proving it beyond any doubt, over and over and over again.

But anyways, everything is fine and it's the people complaining about criminal fraud that are the problem.

From day one, there has been a huge amount of cognitive dissonance over pervasive hobby fraud.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

From day one, there has been a huge amount of cognitive dissonance over pervasive hobby fraud.

Agree. That’s my point. Seems like there is a blind eye to a lot of it. Newbie but there’s a lot out there to read.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Agree. That’s my point. Seems like there is a blind eye to a lot of it. Newbie but there’s a lot out there to read.

If anything IMO, the blind eye has been towards Brent/PWCC. For years, people defended them.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Agree. That’s my point. Seems like there is a blind eye to a lot of it. Newbie but there’s a lot out there to read.

Do you have any evidence that PWCC has been falsely accused of their thousands of incidents of fraud?

Do you have any evidence a major seller, auction house, or hobby figure is engaged in fraud as widespread or serious as PWCC?

I'm not sure what your point is with your third objection of this thread to people pointing out PWCC's felonious history. You seem to keep implying that other people are guilty of the same or worse. Can you name them?

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by G1911

Do you have any evidence that PWCC has been falsely accused of their thousands of incidents of fraud?

Do you have any evidence a major seller, auction house, or hobby figure is engaged in fraud as widespread or serious as PWCC?

I'm not sure what your point is with your third objection of this thread to people pointing out PWCC's felonious history. You seem to keep implying that other people are guilty of the same or worse. Can you name them?

Not sure if you’re serious - REA, Goldin, back to Mastro, etc. All and more have been accused.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Not sure if you’re serious - REA, Goldin, back to Mastro, etc. All and more have been accused.

Yes they’ve all been accused, and all have done things. Mastro went to jail even. Mastro and Goldin are talked about frequently in the hobby. Guilty as they are neither have been caught altering as many cards as PWCC, the most publicly documented one. I don’t get your thesis. Because Mastro was scamming 20 years ago we shouldn’t talk about PWCC’s fraud ring today?

[Frankish]

That's a very convenient service. Sounds like PWCC negotiated a great deal. If you were planning to get a card graded and send it to PWCC for auction, it's very compelling.

Obviously, if you wouldn't work with PWCC it doesn't matter one way or the other.

But since it has become increasingly difficult to find places to consign/auction raw cards, I could see this opening up a lot of new business for them....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Yes they’ve all been accused, and all have done things. Mastro went to jail even. Mastro and Goldin are talked about frequently in the hobby. Guilty as they are neither have been caught altering as many cards as PWCC, the most publicly documented one. I don’t get your thesis. Because Mastro was scamming 20 years ago we shouldn’t talk about PWCC’s fraud ring today?

You're the logician. There's a logical fallacy in saying everyone has been accused of something therefore they're all the same, but I can't immediately identify it. A form of black and white thinking?