Pwcc Csg partnership

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by G1911

Yes, the mature thing is to insist everything’s peachy when the graders hop in bed with the guys primarily known for grading fraud. It is close minded to question this, or to think it likely anything negative will result. Disagreeing with your idea that maybe it’s all dandy and ethical is closed minded. Thankfully, you’ve shown me what maturity looks like with your wisened repetitive personal insults that go on for paragraphs and paragraphs without really saying anything different, because you can’t actually defend why this is a good thing. I’ve sure learned a lot today from your drivel.

For me, I just don’t understand why the claims agains pwcc gain more traction than those against others. Maybe the volume is higher and it’s justified I guess. Just seems like there’s a pick and choose that might not be justified.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Carter08

For me, I just don’t understand why the claims agains pwcc gain more traction than those against others. Maybe the volume is higher and it’s justified I guess. Just seems like there’s a pick and choose that might not be justified.

You joined in 2021. Are you familiar with the whole history of PWCC that we've talked about here for the last 15 years?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Carter08

For me, I just don’t understand why the claims agains pwcc gain more traction than those against others. Maybe the volume is higher and it’s justified I guess. Just seems like there’s a pick and choose that might not be justified.

I doubt there's a clean auction house in the bunch. I haven't seen most of them trimming thousands of cards though. PWCC has been documented altering more cards than probably anyone in hobby history. Auction houses do shady things if they think they can get away with it, like pretty much every business. PWCC is almost openly criminal and has committed stunning amounts of open fraud, each new one seeming to do little as people continue to buy and sell with them.

A light joke about PWCC does not mean that everyone or anyone else is clean. I'd love to see where I have picked and chosen.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I doubt there's a clean auction house in the bunch. I haven't seen most of them trimming thousands of cards though. PWCC has been documented altering more cards than probably anyone in hobby history. Auction houses do shady things if they think they can get away with it, like pretty much every business. PWCC is almost openly criminal and has committed stunning amounts of open fraud, each new one seeming to do little as people continue to buy and sell with them.

A light joke about PWCC does not mean that everyone or anyone else is clean. I'd love to see where I have picked and chosen.

I agree this is not an exemplary hobby and many players have had issues, but from my decades of perspective, and personal dealings over the years since he was literally just a kid selling cards for Gary, Brent is in a class by himself.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I agree this is not a very clean hobby, but from my decades of perspective, and personal dealings over the years since he was literally just a kid selling cards for Gary, Brent is in a class by himself.

I think I messed up on eBay and bought a single card from PWCC. I don't have personal dealings with Brent, but the evidence that PWCC was running a fraud ring for years is absolutely overwhelming.

Observing this seems to really trigger some people.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I think I messed up on eBay and bought a single card from PWCC. I don't have personal dealings with Brent, but the evidence that PWCC was running a fraud ring for years is absolutely overwhelming.

Observing this seems to really trigger some people.

There are innumerable posts about this, over the years, probably starting more than a decade before the FBI investigation and Brent's "cooperation." .It's a complex subject with many aspects.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There are innumerable posts about this, over the years, probably starting more than a decade before the FBI investigation and Brent's "cooperation." .

Blowout made the best case, I think. Some of those guys dedicated insane hours to proving it beyond any doubt, over and over and over again.

But anyways, everything is fine and it's the people complaining about criminal fraud that are the problem.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Blowout made the best case, I think. Some of those guys dedicated insane hours to proving it beyond any doubt, over and over and over again.

But anyways, everything is fine and it's the people complaining about criminal fraud that are the problem.

Agreed on BODA. I got to know them a bit (though never their names LOL) and they really did this as a labor of love. Even if things don't work out on the criminal end, IMO they made an incredible contribution to the hobby, if people take advantage of the education they provided.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Blowout made the best case, I think. Some of those guys dedicated insane hours to proving it beyond any doubt, over and over and over again.

But anyways, everything is fine and it's the people complaining about criminal fraud that are the problem.

From day one, there has been a huge amount of cognitive dissonance over pervasive hobby fraud.