Heritage & PWCC and the PSA 9 Mays

[Johnny630]

Another Story ugh �� ….

The moral is if you think you are smarter then the industry maybe you should humble yourself and you rely on yourself. Shipping it from state to state business to business letting others posses it in their vault….nah not for me.

[icurnmedic]

Maybe should have been "sure" before forking out $93k , or whatever the price was.

Shipping is a fickle process, sure to go wrong at times. Unfortunately , this was one of those times.
Not sure where to place blame , here. If there is any to be placed.

Unfortunately My instinct tells me there was several fumbles along the way.

Hope it gets resolved, but there again, if Im dropping $90K, I would be sure, at least I hope I would.

Thomas

[Leon]

Originally Posted by icurnmedic

Maybe should have been "sure" before forking out $93k , or whatever the price was.

Shipping is a fickle process, sure to go wrong at times. Unfortunately , this was one of those times.
Not sure where to place blame , here. If there is any to be placed.

Unfortunately My instinct tells me there was several fumbles along the way.

Hope it gets resolved, but there again, if Im dropping $90K, I would be sure, at least I hope I would.

Thomas

That site has a firewall up now but it looks like the card was subsequently found by PWCC, allegedly it shipped to the wrong address. So except for time and frustration, and possibly an over graded card, it doesn't look like anyone is out anything. But maybe I am not reading it correctly?
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[Rhotchkiss]

Notwithstanding the respective issues and foibles of the various players (PSA, Heritage, and PWCC), this sounds like a case of buyer's remorse. According to what I have read: (i) This guy (government worker) buys the card from a Heritage auction for $93k, pays and directs Heritage to send the card to the PWCC Vault, (ii) PWCC receives the card and emails the guy high resolution scans that shows things he does not like, (iii) he demands that Heritage takes the card back and directs PWCC to send to Heritage, which they do, (iv) Heritage says its a PSA 9, as advertised, and to take the matter up with PSA under their grade guaranty, (v) Heritage sends the package back to PWCC unopened, and somewhere along the line the (insured) package was lost and later found, (vi) the card is back in the PWCC Vault, Heritage will not return the money and maintains they sold a PSA 9 Mays, end of story, and to go back to PSA, and the owner is an upset baby who has now talked to the Texas AG and gotten the press involved.

It appears the only one who did anything wrong here is the buyer, who is unhappy he bought an over-graded card.

[mrreality68]

I was unable to open it but googled and found another write up on it

https://darik.news/oklahoma/the-myst...203540393.html

And I agree with Ryan both on his recap and his conclusion.

Buyers remorse on a card that was potentially over graded and thus over paid for it

Amazing how things could go so wrong by so many especially when dealing with a high value item like this

[Pat R]

What is described as scratches looks like paper fibers to me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The surprise to me is that a buyer at that level actually cares what's beneath the flip.

[Jcosta19]

Originally Posted by Pat R

What is described as scratches looks like paper fibers to me.

Also they seem plainly visible in the Heritage scans.

1952 Berk Ross Willie Mays PSA Mint 9 - None Higher.... https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c.../50049-56488.s

Sent from my SM-G781V using Tapatalk

[steve B]

The sheer number of typos made it nearly unreadable. But it was funny in parts. Willie "Mace" .... who I haven't heard of, but have to think had a unique style of baserunning.
Or playing "how many different ways can you spell the same guys name"

But I think someone at pwcc should have had a look when he complained to see if that was just stuff on the scanner or slabbed along with the card.

Or better still, they guy should have gotten the card himself and looked at it.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Pat R

What is described as scratches looks like paper fibers to me.

couldn't the scratches also be on the Fake PSA case?

[x2drich2000]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Notwithstanding the respective issues and foibles of the various players (PSA, Heritage, and PWCC), this sounds like a case of buyer's remorse. According to what I have read: (i) This guy (government worker) buys the card from a Heritage auction for $93k, pays and directs Heritage to send the card to the PWCC Vault, (ii) PWCC receives the card and emails the guy high resolution scans that shows things he does not like, (iii) he demands that Heritage takes the card back and directs PWCC to send to Heritage, which they do, (iv) Heritage says its a PSA 9, as advertised, and to take the matter up with PSA under their grade guaranty, (v) Heritage sends the package back to PWCC unopened, and somewhere along the line the (insured) package was lost and later found, (vi) the card is back in the PWCC Vault, Heritage will not return the money and maintains they sold a PSA 9 Mays, end of story, and to go back to PSA, and the owner is an upset baby who has now talked to the Texas AG and gotten the press involved.

It appears the only one who did anything wrong here is the buyer, who is unhappy he bought an over-graded card.

Well stated Ryan. 2 additional thoughts 1) Did he not use the zoom in feature of HA website. I'll criticize HA website and practices where do, but they do give very high resolution images. 2) Did a PSA 9 Berk Ross Mays really jump from $4400 in May 2020 to $93k in Nov 2021?

[BobbyStrawberry]

From the DMN article:

"PWCC’s logistics coordinator wrote Flatto back last week, saying: “I took a look into this for you to see what is going on and unfortunately, we do not have this package in our possession. The tracking data indicates this was shipped to and delivered to an address that is not ours and has a different ZIP code from our location.”

"The good news is that after The Watchdog started asking questions, magically, the Mays card suddenly reappeared. PWCC staffers told Flatto they found it."

"In a statement emailed to The Watchdog, PWCC co-owner Betsy Huigens blamed Heritage Auctions for sending the card to a bad address and “with no identifying information about the card’s ownership.”

[BobC]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

Well stated Ryan. 2 additional thoughts 1) Did he not use the zoom in feature of HA website. I'll criticize HA website and practices where do, but they do give very high resolution images. 2) Did a PSA 9 Berk Ross Mays really jump from $4400 in May 2020 to $93k in Nov 2021?

What I'd be curious to know is, who is the underbidder who bid that guy up so high? There wasn't just one person willing to go that high and so far over the earlier price. Kind of surprising there would be at least two people willing to go that high anyway, seeing as how it isn't even his rookie year, or considered a mainstream card.

Of course, isn't it also true that under Texas law that employees of an AH are allowed to bid on items being sold by their employer? So, anyone know which AH auctioned off the Mays card in May 2020 for so much less?

[x2drich2000]

Originally Posted by BobC

What I'd be curious to know is, who is the underbidder who bid that guy up so high? There wasn't just one person willing to go that high and so far over the earlier price. Kind of surprising there would be at least two people willing to go that high anyway, seeing as how it isn't even his rookie year, or considered a mainstream card.

Of course, isn't it also true that under Texas law that employees of an AH are allowed to bid on items being sold by their employer? So, anyone know which AH auctioned off the Mays card in May 2020 for so much less?

Bob, both were HA.

May 2020

Nov 2021