WW3 Please SAY NO!

[BobC]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

I've never seen Sabbath live. Unfortunately. But I also have all the albums I bought back in the day. From their first album to the last one I bought, Mob Rules in 1981. I guess we'll have to disagree on Dio. I liked him in Sabbath. I also liked him in Rainbow and a lot of his solo stuff. Hmm, since we disagree on what is their best album and Dio, are we supposed to start shouting at and denigrating each other? Isn't that how it works these days?

Take care.

LOL

No, we're not disagreeing about Sabbath. I don't totally dislike them with RJD, just always liked them more with Ozzie. And too bad you never got the chance to see them together live. Never had the time to see them when they were first together. Almost caught them on their Black and Blue Tour with Blue Oyster Cult and Riot in 1980, but something came up and couldn't make it. Always regretted missing that show, but not too much since Ozzie had already been kicked from the group the year before. So when luck would have it, in 1999 Ozzie got back with Sabbath and was headlining Ozzfest. I made sure to get there. Unbelievable show as Sabbath and Ozzy hit the main stage following Slayer, Deftones, System of a Down, Godsmack, Primus, and with Rob Zombie as Sabbath's lead-in. They sounded and played better than I ever would have hoped, and their playlist was one for the ages:

War Pigs
N.I.B.
Fairies Wear Boots
After Forever
Sweetleaf
Into the Void
Electric Funeral
Dirty Women
Black Sabbath
Paranoid

I only wish they could have included Snowblind and Iron Man on the playlist. And Ozzy even came out with buckets of water, and then a fire hose, to help cool the crowd down. For the few years it was around, Ozzfest was truly a unique experience. But if you were lucky enough to catch it one of the few times Ozzy headlined with Sabbath..........that was something else.

Take care.

[blackandgold]

This was their Ozzfest setlist in Pittsburgh in 2001:
N.I.B.
Snowblind
Scary Dreams
War Pigs
Iron Man
Into the Void
The Wizard
Black Sabbath
Paranoid
Children of the Grave

[Cliff Bowman]

I don’t know much about Black Sabbath other than the first two albums but I do know that Ian Gillan said that he was the worst possible lead singer for them and that the album he did with them was a disaster, but he also says the other three in the group are great guys and he’s on excellent terms with them.

[KMayUSA6060]

Brief break from retirement.

https://nypost.com/2022/03/10/russia...nside-ukraine/

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I don’t know much about Black Sabbath other than the first two albums but I do know that Ian Gillan said that he was the worst possible lead singer for them and that the album he did with them was a disaster, but he also says the other three in the group are great guys and he’s on excellent terms with them.

Oh yeah, Butler, Ward, and Iommi are all phenomenal musicians. And Ian Gillan is definitely no slouch as a singer either. First ever concert I went to was to see him and Deep Purple in 1973. Listening to them perform Smoke On the Water live would blow your mind, along with your eardrums. LOL

Thing to me is, you need Ozzy's voice to match up with and bring out the best of Black Sabbath. They truly demonstrate how the sum can be so much greater than the parts. They just aren't the same with someone else singing their songs.

[Shoeless Moe]

Sounds like Kyiv is about to fall.

Isn't that where Zelensky is? or is he on the move?

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by BobC

Oh yeah, Butler, Ward, and Iommi are all phenomenal musicians. And Ian Gillan is definitely no slouch as a singer either. First ever concert I went to was to see him and Deep Purple in 1973. Listening to them perform Smoke On the Water live would blow your mind, along with your eardrums. LOL

Thing to me is, you need Ozzy's voice to match up with and bring out the best of Black Sabbath. They truly demonstrate how the sum can be so much greater than the parts. They just aren't the same with someone else singing their songs.

This is true. Even though I really like Dio, the old BS songs aren't the same with him instead of Ozzy.

[irv]

113 BILLION to Ukraine, and counting.
To put this into perspective. If one had just 1 million dollars it would take 3 yrs to spend it if one spent a $1,000 dollars each and every day (24/7 365)
To spend the same amount, a $1,000 each and every day, with just 1 billion, (not 113) it would take one 2,740 yrs to spend it.

Just curious how many are willing to send their son's and daughters to Ukraine, (one of the most corrupt and crooked regimes on this planet) to help Zelenskyy out like he is suggesting?

Anyone else curious when WW3 is about to begin? We are getting closer and closer each and everyday.
And before anyone thinks Putin is the aggressor here, please tell me why Joe and company discouraged Zelenskyy from reaching a peace agreement with him? Why is the U.S. so heavily invested in Ukraine? Can anyone give me a reasonable explanation, an explanation that would justify supporting Zelenskyy and his band of Nazi's?
Since 2014 Russia is the only side who has been advocating for peace and negotiations, hence the Minsk agreements. Even now they have reached out to end the conflict. Deaf ears... If they wanted to destroy Ukraine they would have by now. I don't think that is what they want to do despite all of the rhetoric.
https://youtu.be/gQRrj1FZICE
Zelinsky:

Ukraine needs fresh young Americans to help fight on the ground war.

"The US will have to send their Son's & Daughter's... to WAR..."

"....and they will be DYING."

https://twitter.com/JamesPhillips00/...84722253312002

[steve B]

How about looking at Putins offer.

"Give us 20% of your country and we might leave you alone for a while, maybe"

Such a bargain!

[Smarti5051]

Using the "James Phillips quote machine," I believe this accurately reflects Irv's position on the Russia-Ukraine conflict, as I am quoting Irv directly:

"Putin is the aggressor. . . . [T]he U.S. [is] so heavily invested in Ukraine[,] that would justify supporting Zelenskyy. . . . [M]any are willing to send their son's and daughters to Ukraine, to help Zelenskyy out."

I am shocked to read this! I disagree with Irv's position and do not believe we should be sending American troops to fight in Ukraine. Based on the quote above, it seems like Irv might be motivated by profit, not peace.

Obviously, this is all malarky, and everyone with the benefit of reading what Irv actually said knows it. But, anybody reading or reposting the quote above without his original post will have no idea how manipulated it is. It underscores how dangerous it is to premise your ideas on a completely falsified account of what the originator of information actually said.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by blackandgold

This was their Ozzfest setlist in Pittsburgh in 2001:
N.I.B.
Snowblind
Scary Dreams
War Pigs
Iron Man
Into the Void
The Wizard
Black Sabbath
Paranoid
Children of the Grave

Another great song list, and see that they did add Snowblind and Iron Man to that year's song list. Wish I could have seen them perform those two songs. I think Black Sabbath and N.I.B. are their two greatest and most iconic songs ever. Biggest reason I like their very first album most of all, those are the first and last songs on Side 1. And when you throw in Geezer's bass solo intro to N.I.B. (titleded "Bassically"), it really sets that finale up. At the time, they were a sound that had never been heard before. And to complete it you need Ozzy's voice. Iommi's sound was also unique. Do you know the story behind his accident and why he plays and sounds like he does? He is one of the most underrated guitarists of all time IMHO. And the bass/rhythm section of Ward and Butler are up there with the best as well, and are second to none.

I saw Ozzy/Sabbath in Columbus at the 1999 Ozzfest, with my then 13 year old oldest son, and a couple of his friends. We made a pact that none of them would ever tell their Mothers what I really took them to. LOL

Took my daughter, who's 3 years older than my elder son, to the 2000 Ozzfest, which was much closer to home, at the Blossom Music Center located between Cleveland and Akron. Unfortunately, Ozzy went solo without Sabbath that year. It was still great, but just wasn't the same. He did mostly his solo hits, but still threw in War Pigs, and ended the night with Paranoid. But it wasn't Sabbath.