WW3 Please SAY NO!

[irv]

Originally Posted by Mark17

When CNN, Fox, CBS, MSNBC, Reuters, Associated Press, the BBC, and reports, speeches, and votes (like regarding war crimes) that come from the UN all say basically the same things, I think you can believe it to be at least 95% accurate.

When Putin says he isn't targeting civilians, I think you can be assured he is lying.

When you see multiple images and videos of Putin ridiculously sitting 20 feet away from everyone else at the lonely end of an elongated table, you can assume he is paranoid to the extreme.

I watched a Fox report last week and they clearly said, "Who the hell knows what is really going on"

Before anyone thinks I am cheering Putin on or advocating for war, death and destruction, think again, but I can't help to be brought back to the WMD stories that all of MSM spewed to us before the Gulf war. How'd that story play out?

I believe our media is corrupt and biased with a penchant for protecting U.S. interests by creating and pushing false narratives in an effort to make them look all divine and the like so I really have a hard time believing much of anything that we are being told about Putin, Russia, Zelenskyy and the Ukraine.
Imo, there is definitely more to this story than what we are being told.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by irv

I watched a Fox report last week and they clearly said, "Who the hell knows what is really going on"

Before anyone thinks I am cheering Putin on or advocating for war, death and destruction, think again, but I can't help to be brought back to the WMD stories that all of MSM spewed to us before the Gulf war. How'd that story play out?

I believe our media is corrupt and biased with a penchant for protecting U.S. interests by creating and pushing false narratives in an effort to make them look all divine and the like so I really have a hard time believing much of anything that we are being told about Putin, Russia, Zelenskyy and the Ukraine.
Imo, there is definitely more to this story than what we are being told.

If you can't figure out who started this war, and therefore who the bad guys are, I actually feel sorry for you. Yes, it is always good to be skeptical to a degree, but come on. Isn't this specific invasion clear enough to see it for what it is?

Sure, we don't know all the details. But we do see bombs and artillery shelling Ukranian cities, and miles upon miles of tanks invading across a sovereign border. Or are you thinking all the many competing news services in the free word are colluding to fool you?

[Kzoo]

Originally Posted by Mark17

If you can't figure out who started this war, and therefore who the bad guys are, I actually feel sorry for you. Yes, it is always good to be skeptical to a degree, but come on. Isn't this specific invasion clear enough to see it for what it is?

Mark, the MSM has pushed propaganda to fit their narrative for decades. Why would this situation be any different? Is Putin a good guy? NO....but wouldn't you be interested learning if there was a different story not being told? I sure would.

Originally Posted by Mark17

Or are you thinking all the many competing news services in the free word are colluding to fool you?

For as often as they're been proven wrong, YES!

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

Mark, the MSM has pushed propaganda to fit their narrative for decades. Why would this situation be any different? Is Putin a good guy? NO....but wouldn't you be interested learning if there was a different story not being told? I sure would.



For as often as they're been proven wrong, YES!

Yeah, I'm sure Hitler had an excuse to invade sovereign nations one after the other, too. Gosh, maybe he really was the victim after all.

[Kzoo]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Yeah, I'm sure Hitler had an excuse to invade sovereign nations one after the other, too. Gosh, maybe he really was the victim after all.

I was only suggesting there might be more at play we're not being told, not that Putin is an innocent Saint.

[BobC]

The sad truth is that totally innocent men, women, and children are being hurt and dying because of this action, regardless of who initially started it and their reasons for doing so.

[irv]

And, just like I thought. Lots of North American interest in regards to Putin and the Ukraine.
What he says about Chrystia Freeland is 100% true. She was seen with this group holding this flag.
(Watch the Jimmy Dore vid below. You'll learn something)
https://youtu.be/KfaAyiP8Wuc
https://tnc.news/2022/03/03/national...stia-freeland/

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by irv

And, just like I thought. Lots of North American interest in regards to Putin and the Ukraine.
What he says about Chrystia Freeland is 100% true. She was seen with this group holding this flag.
(Watch the Jimmy Dore vid below. You'll learn something)
https://youtu.be/KfaAyiP8Wuc
https://tnc.news/2022/03/03/national...stia-freeland/

Why do you continue to trust Jimmy Dore?

[irv]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Why do you continue to trust Jimmy Dore?

You didn't watch the video, did you? No need to answer. I know from the time you posted you practically had zero chance to.

Almost everything he broadcasts uses media sources, govt documents or first hand testimony as the focus of each show. Kinda like real journalists should do. Pretty pathetic that a comedian is putting the boots to MSM networks.
Why doesn't CNN or MSNBC invite him to their shows? Fox does. What are the others afraid of?

[Shoeless Moe]

oh yah and let's not forget how our military AND our government (up to the President) BS'd the public about Pat Tillman's death.

and no one was ever held accountable.

I don't think anyone doubts what is happening here......but all sides will have their own propaganda. Looks to be the Russians WAY more so here, but there will be some BS coming from the good side as well. Zelensky has tried some already, but can't blame him.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Mark17

If you can't figure out who started this war, and therefore who the bad guys are, I actually feel sorry for you. Yes, it is always good to be skeptical to a degree, but come on. Isn't this specific invasion clear enough to see it for what it is?

Sure, we don't know all the details. But we do see bombs and artillery shelling Ukranian cities, and miles upon miles of tanks invading across a sovereign border. Or are you thinking all the many competing news services in the free word are colluding to fool you?

So, Putin, just out of the blue, decided to invade Ukraine for something to do?
Imo, the story that should be told is someone and/or something poked the bear, but of course we are hearing very little about that side of it.

And, just so you know, the media is happy to embellish and outright lie to you as they compete for viewership and ratings.
Sensationalism by any means necessary is used each and everyday by each and everyone of them.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by irv

So, Putin, just out of the blue, decided to invade Ukraine for something to do?

See, it wasn't so hard to figure out.

He's trying to put the Soviet Union back together. First was Crimea, next Ukraine, then if all goes well, Moldova, and so on.

Seriously, don't you think Russia is invading, for the purpose of taking over, the Ukraine? And how hard would one have to poke the bear to justify that?

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by irv

So, Putin, just out of the blue, decided to invade Ukraine for something to do?

No, I think he feared they would eventually join NATO so this would be a stop to that. I think it could be as simple as that.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by irv

Before anyone thinks I am cheering Putin on or advocating for war, death and destruction, think again, but I can't help to be brought back to the WMD stories that all of MSM spewed to us before the Gulf war. How'd that story play out?

"The Press and Public Misperceptions About the Iraq War"

https://web.archive.org/web/20110611...-Iraq-War.aspx

The short article is a good read, but here are a few excerpts:

"The study found three widespread misperceptions:

"49 percent believed that the United States had found evidence that Iraq was working closely with al-Qaeda;

"22 percent believed that actual weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq;

"23 percent believed that world public opinion favored the United States going to war with Iraq.

Overall, 60 percent of those we polled had at least one of these three misperceptions."

"As shown below, the percentage that had at least one of these misperceptions ranged from 23 percent among those who primarily got their news from National Public Radio (NPR) or PBS to 80 percent among those who primarily got their news from Fox News."

"However, there is also evidence that news outlets—some more than others—have allowed themselves to be passive transmitters of such messages."

Again, it's a short article but well worth the read.