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[Fred]

Cleveland BBC (Baseball Club)

San Diego BBC

Kansas City FBC

That makes it pretty generic. Nothing to bitch about with those titles.

[Throttlesteer]

Originally Posted by Fred

Cleveland BBC (Baseball Club)

San Diego BBC

Kansas City FBC

That makes it pretty generic. Nothing to bitch about with those titles.

San Diego is named for a saint. That's religious and I'm offended. We should change it to South Los Angeles. Wait, that means angels!!! No, we need to fix that too.

[drcy]

I am a left-leaning moderate, so fall in the middle of the debates. I see both sides to the argument.

Though I can say the illiberal, ultra-woke, cancel culture far left is as obnoxious to me, and to many people I know left to me, as it is to anyone on the right. I am against it as much as anyone else. The right should know that they annoy most people on the left too. And, in fact, illiberal by definition is not liberal. Cancel culture and trying to stop freedom of expression is not liberalism.

My argument is it's up to the Indians, but that means it's really up to the Indians not some small vocal group of activists. As someone else said, I don't think the issue is political but about respect-- with respect being both a liberal and a conservative value.

[packs]

Lots of comments about what Native Americans think, but I posted what Native American representative groups think.

In case the NCAI is not as well known as most other organizations, I thought I'd share how they describe themselves:

The National Congress of American Indians, founded in 1944, is the oldest, largest and most representative American Indian and Alaska Native organization serving the broad interests of tribal governments and communities.

[Throttlesteer]

Originally Posted by drcy

I am a left-leaning moderate, so fall in the middle of the debates. I see both sides to the argument.

Though I can say the illiberal, ultra-woke, cancel culture left is as obnoxious to me, and to many people I know left to me, as it is to anyone on the right. I am against it as much as anyone else. The right should know that they annoy most people on the left too. And in fact illiberal is by definition is not liberal. Cancel culture and trying to stop freedom of expression is not liberalism.

My argument is it's up to the Indians, but that means it's really up to the Indians not some small vocal group of activists. As someone else said, I don't think the issue is political but about respect-- with respect being both a liberal and a conservative value.

Solid post.

[honus94566]

Tradition?

It was traditional to enslave black people for centuries. To subjugate women and minorities. To deny basic rights to groups that differ from the mainstream.

Just because it's a tradition doesn't mean it's OK and shouldn't be changed. Just because it's a tradition doesn't mean it isn't harmful to others, even if it's a tradition you are particularly fond of, and personally benefit from.

"America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It's been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt, and erased again. But baseball has marked the time."

Looking forward to seeing what the change will be.

Onward to a better future!