What Would You Do With This Forum Transaction?

[swarmee]

I would say:
1) Cards may not fit their holders all the time.
2) Card is probably not trimmed.
3) We are way outside the return window.
4) Not enough information.

Way forward: if you are concerned about the card being altered, inspect it yourself for trimming (bat ears, unusual cut, etc) and if you can find some, send it back to PSA under their grade guarantee by submitting for a review. If PSA says it's now trimmed, they owe the difference between an altered and a true card in that condition.
If PSA says it is not trimmed and reholders it with a current slab, they may use one that now fits the card better so the shortness in holder effect is no longer evident.

[perezfan]

Completely agree with John... perfect response.

Return it to PSA under their guarantee, and just take it from there.

[Rhotchkiss]

Ben and John hit the nail on the head. I agree wholeheartedly with both.

I have a PSA-holdered card I bought off BST that, it turns out, used to sit in an SGC A flip. I sent it into PSA under the guarantee and they affirmed their opinion of a numerical grade; it now sits in a new holder but with the old/original PSA cert#. While I am skeptical, it’s all I can do; and, theoretically, they are the experts

[HRBAKER]

Lots of cards sitting in these holders that are altered have been purchased longer than four years ago IMO, lots. Why were they not inspected thoroughly at the time of purchase and also in the interim - bc they were certified, rectified and sanctified by the experts. Who are the experts? You know the self proclaimed, heavily promoted and recently undressed ones. Agree wholeheartedly the card goes back to the experts in this case.

If the card is altered I hope this works out for you.

Happy Thanksgiving.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Ben and John hit the nail on the head. I agree wholeheartedly with both.

I have a PSA-holdered card I bought off BST that, it turns out, used to sit in an SGC A flip. I sent it into PSA under the guarantee and they affirmed their opinion of a numerical grade; it now sits in a new holder but with the old/original PSA cert#. While I am skeptical, it’s all I can do; and, theoretically, they are the experts

That's the loophole in the guarantee of course -- they have to agree the card they slabbed in the first place is altered. They can control their payout just by saying it isn't, whether they're right or not.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That's the loophole in the guarantee of course -- they have to agree the card they slabbed in the first place is altered. They can control their payout just by saying it isn't, whether they're right or not.

Exactly it’s just their opinion....prove it.

[japhi]

He should crack it out and THEN initiate the return. Obviously.

[doug.goodman]

The seller no longer has any connection to this card and in my humble OPINION (similar to that of the people who sell their opinions on cards, except I have a higher rate of being correct) would be justified in responding to communication requesting a refund, with the word "no".

As Denny said, it sounds like the buyer didn't actually buy the card...

Doug

[Fred]

Originally Posted by japhi

He should crack it out and THEN initiate the return. Obviously.

If this was fleabay and the card was bought with paypal, then the assumption would be that he could get a full refund from the seller....

Been a LONG time, card is no longer in the original slab, not sure how that could be fair to the seller. As someone mentioned, PSA will place cards in slabs/holders that are not a complete corner to corner fit for the holder.

Hate to say this but I'm guessing this is the response that Leon was expecting and wanted to be give the collector a little food for thought on the topic.

Looks like Leon has a little King Solomon in him....

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Ben and John hit the nail on the head. I agree wholeheartedly with both.

I have a PSA-holdered card I bought off BST that, it turns out, used to sit in an SGC A flip. I sent it into PSA under the guarantee and they affirmed their opinion of a numerical grade; it now sits in a new holder but with the old/original PSA cert#. While I am skeptical, it’s all I can do; and, theoretically, they are the experts

So who got it right and who got it wrong? Are we to believe SGC are the experts or PSA is the expert? This is the only thing I hate about grading as everything is subjective to the eyes of humans.

[bobbyw8469]

I wish someone would send back that Namath rookie I sold. I would gladly give them their 2k back.

[maniac_73]

wow 4 years? And its a question?? Is this real? lol

[Snapolit1]

4+ years? yeah, the statute of limitations has expired. Move on.

I have no doubt that I have unknowingly sold cards to people that someone may have monkeyed with. And I am sure I've prob. bought a couple.

I'm not sure even 4 months is acceptable to try to undo a sale.

[DeanH3]

Sorry for any harshness, but this is getting ridiculous. Returning a card after 4+ years? Craziness.

[Peter_Spaeth]

What would Steve Sloan say to do?

[BigBeerGut]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

Sorry for any harshness, but this is getting ridiculous. Returning a card after 4+ years? Craziness.

Buyer Beware
If the PSA slab is good then buyer is happy
If the PSA slab is no good then it is the owners fault not PSA?

MJD

[Luke]

Agree with John's reply. Asking for a return after 4 years in this case would be in poor taste imo.

4 years is a long time. The seller could be out of the hobby and/or not have a spare $400 laying around.

If the sale was fraudulent in some way, that's another story.

[irishdenny]

"Buy the card, Not Flip!"
A lil ways back, Sumone suggested this to me!

This Started back when PSA Slabbed the PSA 8 Wagner.
i wonder why!?!?

i've purchased Numerical Graded Cards Knowing thay were Trimmed, Altered etc...
i've had Cards Reviewed wit an "A" that were given a Number!

If we All Honestly went through Our Collections and thought about how the Hobby has changed in the past 20 years ...
a whole mess of us would find at least one card that could fall inta the Same Category as the OP's Possibly Trimmed(maybe not Trimmed?) Slabbed Thought!

in Ending... if it were me that Sold You the Card!? ...
i would take it Back... if it was Prewar!!!

[EvilKing00]

1- sounds like the buyer is unsure if its a trimmed card

2- 2 years is a long time

3- its been reholdered

I dont think a refund is warranted with these issues

[bigfish]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

Sorry for any harshness, but this is getting ridiculous. Returning a card after 4+ years? Craziness.

Cheers Dean