What Would You Do With This Forum Transaction?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Ben and John hit the nail on the head. I agree wholeheartedly with both.

I have a PSA-holdered card I bought off BST that, it turns out, used to sit in an SGC A flip. I sent it into PSA under the guarantee and they affirmed their opinion of a numerical grade; it now sits in a new holder but with the old/original PSA cert#. While I am skeptical, it’s all I can do; and, theoretically, they are the experts

That's the loophole in the guarantee of course -- they have to agree the card they slabbed in the first place is altered. They can control their payout just by saying it isn't, whether they're right or not.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That's the loophole in the guarantee of course -- they have to agree the card they slabbed in the first place is altered. They can control their payout just by saying it isn't, whether they're right or not.

Exactly it’s just their opinion....prove it.

[japhi]

He should crack it out and THEN initiate the return. Obviously.

[doug.goodman]

The seller no longer has any connection to this card and in my humble OPINION (similar to that of the people who sell their opinions on cards, except I have a higher rate of being correct) would be justified in responding to communication requesting a refund, with the word "no".

As Denny said, it sounds like the buyer didn't actually buy the card...

Doug

[aconte]

Agree with those that say it is too long to do a return. We need to be
realistic with any return in my opinion. 30-60 days would be my max
in most cases.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

The seller no longer has any connection to this card and in my humble OPINION (similar to that of the people who sell their opinions on cards, except I have a higher rate of being correct) would be justified in responding to communication requesting a refund, with the word "no".

As Denny said, it sounds like the buyer didn't actually buy the card...

Doug

Agree.

He also doesn't have any new information that he didn't have when the deal was made. No TPG has given an opinion other than the original numeric grade. Not saying that matters much. But it's like the guy is saying, basically, "Hey, it took me 4 years to actually look at this card I bought, and now I think it looks a bit small, so I'm not sure I'm happy with the deal.

There are at least 3 reasons no return should be accepted, including:
1. Card not in original slab
2. Way too long
3. No real reason - nothing has changed except the reholder


Any one of these reasons by itself is enough to tell the buyer (complainer) that there will be no return or exchange IMO.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Agree.

He also doesn't have any new information that he didn't have when the deal was made. No TPG has given an opinion other than the original numeric grade. Not saying that matters much. But it's like the guy is saying, basically, "Hey, it took me 4 years to actually look at this card I bought, and now I think it looks a bit small, so I'm not sure I'm happy with the deal.

There are at least 3 reasons no return should be accepted, including:
1. Card not in original slab
2. Way too long
3. No real reason - nothing has changed except the reholder


Any one of these reasons by itself is enough to tell the buyer (complainer) that there will be no return or exchange IMO.

I can't believe you posted the bold part after all you posted in the GAI thread.

[Buythatcard]

What if I sold a card as Altered 4 years ago and the buyer decided to send it in to another grading company and it comes back with a numerical grade? Suppose I only sold it for $50.00, and now its worth $500 in the graded slab, am I entitled to a refund from the buyer?

I would think not. Just as I think that this buyer has no right to go after the seller after 4 years.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I can't believe you posted the bold part after all you posted in the GAI thread.

Bart,
In the last thread, due mostly to some of Peter's reasoning, I came around to the point of view that if people could crack out cards then return them, it would create way too many problems going forward.

You might've had me blocked by then...

In this case, the guy has PSA saying the card is good, so he has even less of a case. Plus, of course, the time elapsed.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Agree.

He also doesn't have any new information that he didn't have when the deal was made. No TPG has given an opinion other than the original numeric grade. Not saying that matters much. But it's like the guy is saying, basically, "Hey, it took me 4 years to actually look at this card I bought, and now I think it looks a bit small, so I'm not sure I'm happy with the deal.

There are at least 3 reasons no return should be accepted, including:
1. Card not in original slab
2. Way too long
3. No real reason - nothing has changed except the reholder


Any one of these reasons by itself is enough to tell the buyer (complainer) that there will be no return or exchange IMO.

+1 When is a transaction ever final if someone can come back 4 1/2 years later and expect a return and refund?

[Tyruscobb]

So, a buyer wants to potentially ask for a refund simply based on a bunch almost half a decade later and after changing slabs? He can't be serious.

[Gradedcardman]

Originally Posted by Sean

+1 When is a transaction ever final if someone can come back 4 1/2 years later and expect a return and refund?

+ 1

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Sean

+1 When is a transaction ever final if someone can come back 4 1/2 years later and expect a return and refund?

when there is fraud or if card was stolen to begin with are a few ..there are more ways as well

[Fred]

Originally Posted by japhi

He should crack it out and THEN initiate the return. Obviously.

If this was fleabay and the card was bought with paypal, then the assumption would be that he could get a full refund from the seller....

Been a LONG time, card is no longer in the original slab, not sure how that could be fair to the seller. As someone mentioned, PSA will place cards in slabs/holders that are not a complete corner to corner fit for the holder.

Hate to say this but I'm guessing this is the response that Leon was expecting and wanted to be give the collector a little food for thought on the topic.

Looks like Leon has a little King Solomon in him....