What Would You Do With This Forum Transaction?

[Rhotchkiss]

Ben and John hit the nail on the head. I agree wholeheartedly with both.

I have a PSA-holdered card I bought off BST that, it turns out, used to sit in an SGC A flip. I sent it into PSA under the guarantee and they affirmed their opinion of a numerical grade; it now sits in a new holder but with the old/original PSA cert#. While I am skeptical, it’s all I can do; and, theoretically, they are the experts

[HRBAKER]

Lots of cards sitting in these holders that are altered have been purchased longer than four years ago IMO, lots. Why were they not inspected thoroughly at the time of purchase and also in the interim - bc they were certified, rectified and sanctified by the experts. Who are the experts? You know the self proclaimed, heavily promoted and recently undressed ones. Agree wholeheartedly the card goes back to the experts in this case.

If the card is altered I hope this works out for you.

Happy Thanksgiving.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Ben and John hit the nail on the head. I agree wholeheartedly with both.

I have a PSA-holdered card I bought off BST that, it turns out, used to sit in an SGC A flip. I sent it into PSA under the guarantee and they affirmed their opinion of a numerical grade; it now sits in a new holder but with the old/original PSA cert#. While I am skeptical, it’s all I can do; and, theoretically, they are the experts

That's the loophole in the guarantee of course -- they have to agree the card they slabbed in the first place is altered. They can control their payout just by saying it isn't, whether they're right or not.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That's the loophole in the guarantee of course -- they have to agree the card they slabbed in the first place is altered. They can control their payout just by saying it isn't, whether they're right or not.

Exactly it’s just their opinion....prove it.

[japhi]

He should crack it out and THEN initiate the return. Obviously.

[doug.goodman]

The seller no longer has any connection to this card and in my humble OPINION (similar to that of the people who sell their opinions on cards, except I have a higher rate of being correct) would be justified in responding to communication requesting a refund, with the word "no".

As Denny said, it sounds like the buyer didn't actually buy the card...

Doug

[aconte]

Agree with those that say it is too long to do a return. We need to be
realistic with any return in my opinion. 30-60 days would be my max
in most cases.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

The seller no longer has any connection to this card and in my humble OPINION (similar to that of the people who sell their opinions on cards, except I have a higher rate of being correct) would be justified in responding to communication requesting a refund, with the word "no".

As Denny said, it sounds like the buyer didn't actually buy the card...

Doug

Agree.

He also doesn't have any new information that he didn't have when the deal was made. No TPG has given an opinion other than the original numeric grade. Not saying that matters much. But it's like the guy is saying, basically, "Hey, it took me 4 years to actually look at this card I bought, and now I think it looks a bit small, so I'm not sure I'm happy with the deal.

There are at least 3 reasons no return should be accepted, including:
1. Card not in original slab
2. Way too long
3. No real reason - nothing has changed except the reholder


Any one of these reasons by itself is enough to tell the buyer (complainer) that there will be no return or exchange IMO.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Agree.

He also doesn't have any new information that he didn't have when the deal was made. No TPG has given an opinion other than the original numeric grade. Not saying that matters much. But it's like the guy is saying, basically, "Hey, it took me 4 years to actually look at this card I bought, and now I think it looks a bit small, so I'm not sure I'm happy with the deal.

There are at least 3 reasons no return should be accepted, including:
1. Card not in original slab
2. Way too long
3. No real reason - nothing has changed except the reholder


Any one of these reasons by itself is enough to tell the buyer (complainer) that there will be no return or exchange IMO.

I can't believe you posted the bold part after all you posted in the GAI thread.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Agree.

He also doesn't have any new information that he didn't have when the deal was made. No TPG has given an opinion other than the original numeric grade. Not saying that matters much. But it's like the guy is saying, basically, "Hey, it took me 4 years to actually look at this card I bought, and now I think it looks a bit small, so I'm not sure I'm happy with the deal.

There are at least 3 reasons no return should be accepted, including:
1. Card not in original slab
2. Way too long
3. No real reason - nothing has changed except the reholder


Any one of these reasons by itself is enough to tell the buyer (complainer) that there will be no return or exchange IMO.

+1 When is a transaction ever final if someone can come back 4 1/2 years later and expect a return and refund?

[Fred]

Originally Posted by japhi

He should crack it out and THEN initiate the return. Obviously.

If this was fleabay and the card was bought with paypal, then the assumption would be that he could get a full refund from the seller....

Been a LONG time, card is no longer in the original slab, not sure how that could be fair to the seller. As someone mentioned, PSA will place cards in slabs/holders that are not a complete corner to corner fit for the holder.

Hate to say this but I'm guessing this is the response that Leon was expecting and wanted to be give the collector a little food for thought on the topic.

Looks like Leon has a little King Solomon in him....

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Ben and John hit the nail on the head. I agree wholeheartedly with both.

I have a PSA-holdered card I bought off BST that, it turns out, used to sit in an SGC A flip. I sent it into PSA under the guarantee and they affirmed their opinion of a numerical grade; it now sits in a new holder but with the old/original PSA cert#. While I am skeptical, it’s all I can do; and, theoretically, they are the experts

So who got it right and who got it wrong? Are we to believe SGC are the experts or PSA is the expert? This is the only thing I hate about grading as everything is subjective to the eyes of humans.

[bobbyw8469]

I wish someone would send back that Namath rookie I sold. I would gladly give them their 2k back.

[maniac_73]

wow 4 years? And its a question?? Is this real? lol

[Snapolit1]

4+ years? yeah, the statute of limitations has expired. Move on.

I have no doubt that I have unknowingly sold cards to people that someone may have monkeyed with. And I am sure I've prob. bought a couple.

I'm not sure even 4 months is acceptable to try to undo a sale.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

4+ years? yeah, the statute of limitations has expired. Move on.

I have no doubt that I have unknowingly sold cards to people that someone may have monkeyed with. And I am sure I've prob. bought a couple.

I'm not sure even 4 months is acceptable to try to undo a sale.

funny, there are many states in which the SOL is more than 4 years depending on how the transaction was conducted..... but what do i know , i live on my mother's couch according to one poster...

issue will be legal v moral thing to do.

personally since the holder was changed etc, i would agree to return but he can always ask...

[Mark17]

Imagine the complications had it been a trade. Let's say it was still in the original holder, and only 3 weeks had passed, but it had been a trade, and the other fellow then made another trade with someone else, so the first transaction could not be undone.......

If the buyer has some period of time to return the card, does the same apply to a trade, which would mean, in that case, the cards traded, on both sides, would need to be essentially frozen in the other guy's collection until the return time period expires?