USA TODAY article regarding FBI subpoenas, doctoring, etc......

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So what was the upshot?

Here's what I remember: we met at Jim Crandall's office one evening at his Lehman Bros. office, and since Lehman went under in 2008, I'm guessing it took place in 2007. Attendees included Jim, myself, Doug Allen, Dave Forman, Keith Thompson, Al Crisafulli, Frank Evanov, and Michael Sarno.

I believe the gist of the meeting centered around third party grading, and Dave F. brought some cards he slabbed that day and asked us to all spend some time examining them, and then we were to grade them. Afterwards he told us some were altered, and showed us how hard it is to determine that. None of us did that well getting them all correct.

We had some other topics of discussion but I need a little help with them. I do remember Jim bought something like eight pizzas, and they were delicious. I also got into a discussion with Al and he told me he didn't like the Beatles. I wanted to clock him, but since Al is around 6' 10", I minded my manners (hi Al).

Maybe Keith or anyone else reading this remembers more of the details.

[Peter_Spaeth]

At the time were you asked not to discuss the meeting? Seems odd that neither you nor anyone else posted about it, unless I am not remembering.

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

At the time were you asked not to discuss the meeting? Seems odd that neither you nor anyone else posted about it, unless I am not remembering.

I don't recall it being confidential, and I thought the original invitation to the meeting was posted on Net54 by Jim. And I think he said that anyone who wanted was welcome to come. Does anybody remember otherwise? It was twelve years ago and I'm at the point where I do forget things.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

I don't recall it being confidential, and I thought the original invitation to the meeting was posted on Net54 by Jim. And I think he said that anyone who wanted was welcome to come. Does anybody remember otherwise? It was eleven years ago and I'm at the point where I do forget things.

I could be forgetting as well.

[barrysloate]

Maybe you can search it? I'm disappointed that I can't remember the details beyond the pizza.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Maybe you can search it? I'm disappointed that I can't remember the details beyond the pizza.

Maybe I can jog your memory,

Pepperoni or Sausage?

Thick or Thin crust?

White or Red sauce?

[1952boyntoncollector]

I remember how happy i was when USA today came out and you get could more info on other teams besides your home team. I think Frank Deford also had a newspaper or something that tried that.

Now i surprised to learn that USA today is still in business...maybe its thriving who knows but i didnt even know they still in business until saw this thread

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Maybe I can jog your memory,

Pepperoni or Sausage?

Thick or Thin crust?

White or Red sauce?

Regular Neopolitan, no toppings that I can recall (although I can't rule out pepperoni.)

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Maybe you can search it? I'm disappointed that I can't remember the details beyond the pizza.

I did a search for Lehman (location of the meeting) and nothing relevant came up that I could see. Oh well.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Here's an interesting thread from the past, that includes many relevant people in the recent discussion. Page three gets more focused on doctoring.

http://t.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=83073

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I did a search for Lehman (location of the meeting) and nothing relevant came up that I could see. Oh well.

I went to my old desk calendars and under December 12, 2007 it reads "Net54 dinner, 350 Seventh Avenue." Would that be it?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Here's what I remember: we met at Jim Crandall's office one evening at his Lehman Bros. office, and since Lehman went under in 2008, I'm guessing it took place in 2007. Attendees included Jim, myself, Doug Allen, Dave Forman, Keith Thompson, Al Crisafulli, Frank Evanov, and I may have left out one or two others (with my apologies).

I believe the gist of the meeting centered around third party grading, and Dave F. brought some cards he slabbed that day and asked us to all spend some time examining them, and then we were to grade them. Afterwards he told us some were altered, and showed us how hard it is to determine that. None of us did that well getting them all correct.

We had some other topics of discussion but I need a little help with them. I do remember Jim bought something like eight pizzas, and they were delicious. I also got into a discussion with Al and he told me he didn't like the Beatles. I wanted to clock him, but since Al is around 6' 10", I minded my manners (hi Al).

Maybe Keith or anyone else reading this remembers more of the details.

Where were the pizzas ordered from and were they just cheese or did any have toppings. Also were these the type of slices that you had to fold or just stiff. Did you order any of the pizzas 'well done'

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Where were the pizzas ordered from and were they just cheese or did any have toppings. Also were these the type of slices that you had to fold or just stiff. Did you order any of the pizzas 'well done'

See post #32 for important details.