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Old 05-29-2019, 04:09 PM
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Believe it or not Betsy is technically correct with her definition of shilling. An owner is allowed to bid on his or her items in most, if not all states, as long as they pay if and when they win. Now many auction houses (including mine) see the ethical flaw in the law, especially as it pertains to online auctions. Hell Ebay won't let you bid on your own offerings. If you don't believe me check the UCC I believe it's somewhere around 235. Peter and I discussed this a couple years back and he was surprised to see it in black and white as I recall. Of course the gulf between legal and ethical can be a wide one...
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Old 05-29-2019, 04:13 PM
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Believe it or not Betsy is technically correct with her definition of shilling. An owner is allowed to bid on his or her items in most, if not all states, as long as they pay if and when they win. Now many auction houses (including mine) see the ethical flaw in the law, especially as it pertains to online auctions. Hell Ebay won't let you bid on your own offerings. If you don't believe me check the UCC I believe it's somewhere around 235. Peter and I discussed this a couple years back and he was surprised to see it in black and white as I recall. Of course the gulf between legal and ethical can be a wide one...
Scott I recall a discussion about retracting that surprised me but you may well be right we discussed this too.
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Crap you're right, it was retracting (a related subject to be sure), however having had to study this stuff specifically to get my license I'm sure I could track down this info too!
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Wowzers! Thanks Scott for being honest. I think you're on point. I'll leave it at that.

Here's a link to the UCC by state if anyone wants to check it out: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/table_ucc
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Old 05-29-2019, 05:00 PM
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eBay is a worldwide website. I'm sure nobody bids in their auctions from any of the states that don't specifically allow bidding on your own auctions. Does their definition agree with the eBay Terms of Service?
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How would anyone feel if their cards were sitting in "The Vault" right now? To you lawyers out there, could those cards be seized as evidence?
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eBay is a worldwide website. I'm sure nobody bids in their auctions from any of the states that don't specifically allow bidding on your own auctions. Does their definition agree with the eBay Terms of Service?
I closed my eBay store (we focused primarily on rare books) twice in the last two years and eBay and PayPal are still saying we owe $11. Years later. They're a hot mess.
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I'll give Bobby the benefit of the doubt. I don't use his website and don't know if those images were there to begin with. Thanks for answering the questions; I was just the messenger.
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How would anyone feel if their cards were sitting in "The Vault" right now? To you lawyers out there, could those cards be seized as evidence?
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How would anyone feel if their cards were sitting in "The Vault" right now? To you lawyers out there, could those cards be seized as evidence?
I'd never put my cards in "The Vault" to begin with but I can only hope they'd be seized as evidence. The sooner they can figure this out the better.
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