Candiman Auctions Explained

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

I agree it's not that easy to win a charge back. I bought a $4500 Ruth on ebay a few years ago, and the package arrived empty. It took three months of back and forth with AMEX, and they only agreed to a reversal after I sent them a signed affidavit from my postmaster explaining the package they handled felt "light." Thank goodness I was working with a small town post office.

what was the market price for that Ruth..

You know what they say

" if you pay light..the package is going to feel light "

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

what was the market price for that Ruth..

You know what they say

" if you pay light..the package is going to feel light "

Scammers abound everywhere. I once accepted a return for some 1961 Fleer Basketball cards after the guy complained that they had qualifiers on them (after he bid on them and won them with the same qualifiers, because I had scans on everything, and mentioned the qualifiers in the title). He ended up sending back cracked BVG holders and not my cards. Because of the advice over on PSA boards, I opened the package in front of a postal employee who confirmed that I received a "brick" in the mail. While the PSA board gave me good advice, some real jerks over there believed I was lying or at fault somehow in the matter. Made me realize how there are some real grade A assholes in the world.

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

what was the market price for that Ruth..

You know what they say

" if you pay light..the package is going to feel light "

WTF does this even mean? I won an auction, so I can assure you I didn’t “pay light.” I’ve never “paid light” on any card I own. Are you suggesting I somehow deserved to get scammed?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

WTF does this even mean? I won an auction, so I can assure you I didn’t “pay light.” I’ve never “paid light” on any card I own. Are you suggesting I somehow deserved to get scammed?

A friend of mine bought a 52T Mantle PSA 4 a few years back and a 57T Mantle PSA 5 showed up in the package. The weight was right, anyhow.

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A friend of mine bought a 52T Mantle PSA 4 a few years back and a 57T Mantle PSA 5 showed up in the package. The weight was right, anyhow.

Well, per Jake’s logic, depending on the price he paid, perhaps he was only due a 57 Mantle.

Per my logic, that’s awful. It feels like such a punch in the gut when the package doesn’t contain what you bought. And the fact that a card was sent, with tracking, makes it much harder to build your case as eBay and PayPal are pretty binary when it comes to believing that a tracking number proves the seller’s case.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

Well, per Jake’s logic, depending on the price he paid, perhaps he was only due a 57 Mantle.

Per my logic, that’s awful. It feels like such a punch in the gut when the package doesn’t contain what you bought. And the fact that a card was sent, with tracking, makes it much harder to build your case as eBay and PayPal are pretty binary when it comes to believing that a tracking number proves the seller’s case.

Right, for example, if you pay $1000 for a 1952 Topps PSA 3 Mantle at an 'auction' won this month and won ' the card....i would consider that paying light and expecting to get a light package. (getting a brick in the mail or getting nothing is still getting a light package...its a term of art) Its not like almost everyone thinks this auction will be full of feeling light packages of people that paid light....its not a shocker


I think 57 mantles weigh less than 52 mantles....less cardboard

If pay light you are going to get something that feels light in the mail

Sell the holder not the card..

[Republicaninmass]

I don't believe the wouldn't ship, that wasn't battlesfields MO

I received tracking on my lot from another auction house which was never delivered. A label was printed, but nothing was ever dropped at the Post office.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Right, for example, if you pay $1000 for a 1952 Topps PSA 3 Mantle at an 'auction' won this month and won ' the card....i would consider that paying light and expecting to get a light package. (getting a brick in the mail or getting nothing is still getting a light package...

A 52T Mantle is a $15-20,000 card in PSA 3. I don't even know mechanicalman at all, but did you really think he was talking about paying five cents on the dollar when he got ripped off on a Ruth card for which he paid $4,500?

What about his post even gave any kind of an indication that he was talking about a price that was so obviously out of whack as to scream scam?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

A 52T Mantle is a $15-20,000 card in PSA 3. I don't even know mechanicalman at all, but did you really think he was talking about paying five cents on the dollar when he got ripped off on a Ruth card for which he paid $4,500?

What about his post even gave any kind of an indication that he was talking about a price that was so obviously out of whack as to scream scam?

giving an example..plus there are many people people on this thread that did pay cents on the dollars on cards that were later 'ripped' off.....

plus we werent told exactly which ruth card.....so i said in general if you pay light you are going to get a light package... If he wanted to elaborate more what exactly what card was bought and where etc thats fine as well but nothing more was said....what makes you think he didnt get an extremely extremely good deal...you are accusing me to jumping to conclusions while you are also jumping to conclusions as you have no idea what the details of the sale is.....but again i was only talking generally..

but remember if you pay light you are going to get something light in the mail....which is my point of what was bought at the AH

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A friend of mine bought a 52T Mantle PSA 4 a few years back and a 57T Mantle PSA 5 showed up in the package. The weight was right, anyhow.

Holy Shit!! That's horrible Peter!! Did the problem ever get resolved?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Holy Shit!! That's horrible Peter!! Did the problem ever get resolved?

Yeah, it took time and quite a bit of effort though, and some luck. He got his money back, and he got to keep the 57T lol.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

what was the market price for that Ruth..

You know what they say

" if you pay light..the package is going to feel light "

Of all the incoherent posts you've made, this is the most insensitive and inconsiderate I can remember. This a community, and nobody should be so insensitive to another board member. Your follow up post is nothing more than an inadequate attempt to back peddle on your original comment.


You've already had Leon instill a rule about quoting BST prices. Are you proud of that or think you are somehow clever? If you don't plan on adding anything of value to this forum, I suggest you go play in different sandbox with some other children.

[mechanicalman]

Eddie and Ted:

Thank you for being voices of reason. To be honest, I try hard to ignore anything Jake says, and I have a rule not to engage with him. But when he insinuates that anyone, not just me, deserves to be the victim of theft, it doesn't sit well.

Again, even if, in the rare instance someone gets a "deal" on ebay, in no way do they deserve to receive less than what they paid for. I know others have had this happen, but it feels AWFUL when someone steals your money and you have to jump through hoops to get it back.

And for the record, the Ruth was an SGC 5.5, and in January 2015, Jake, that was certainly not a "light" price paid.

[pokerplyr80]

I can see Jake's point in general, but the comment shouldn't have been made in response to Sam's post. It would have been more appropriate in that thread about the guy who sent his bgs 9.5 Jordan RC, worth less than 10k, to Canada to trade for a PSA 9 opc Gretzky worth 30k.

Sam I do agree no one deserves to have their money stolen, but there are people who fall victim to their own stupidity as much as they do to a thief or scammer. I don't have much sympathy for them.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I can see Jake's point in general, but the comment shouldn't have been made in response to Sam's post. It would have been more appropriate in that thread about the guy who sent his bgs 9.5 Jordan RC, worth less than 10k, to Canada to trade for a PSA 9 opc Gretzky worth 30k.

Sam I do agree no one deserves to have their money stolen, but there are people who fall victim to their own stupidity as much as they do to a thief or scammer. I don't have much sympathy for them.

Yes I was talking generally because Sam or whoever did not share the actual card purchased and the year it was bought. So all i did was talk generally. In addition i abhor the scammer more than the idiot/greedy buyer generally. However everything is relative...

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

Eddie and Ted:

Thank you for being voices of reason. To be honest, I try hard to ignore anything Jake says, and I have a rule not to engage with him. But when he insinuates that anyone, not just me, deserves to be the victim of theft, it doesn't sit well.

Again, even if, in the rare instance someone gets a "deal" on ebay, in no way do they deserve to receive less than what they paid for. I know others have had this happen, but it feels AWFUL when someone steals your money and you have to jump through hoops to get it back.

And for the record, the Ruth was an SGC 5.5, and in January 2015, Jake, that was certainly not a "light" price paid.

OK so now we know what the exact card is, i agree you didnt pay light for it. Its a shame that information is only shared now, and wasnt shared even after my other posts....only until now.. Still i havent back peddled on anything, if that same card in the same time frame was bought for $500, then i would expect a light package. If you just shared the info sooner that would of been nice because as you know on this forum people forget to include info on the threads sometimes that would support an opposite view.

I am not talking again about the rare deals you can get on ebay....its the guy with 2 feedback where you are paying 500 for a 5000 market price card..or so wierd new auction where 85% of the people are getting 'deals' Its all of those 'deal' seekers that keep the fraudsters active......

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

OK so now we know what the exact card is, i agree you didnt pay light for it. Its a shame that information is only shared now, and wasnt shared even after my other posts....only until now.. Still i havent back peddled on anything, if that same card in the same time frame was bought for $500, then i would expect a light package. If you just shared the info sooner that would of been nice because as you know on this forum people forget to include info on the threads sometimes that would support an opposite view.

Its all of those 'deal' seekers that keep the fraudsters active......

That would be Lance Armstrong - were he with us today.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Paul S

That would be Lance Armstrong - were he with us today.

Ummm...

Peddle = sell
Pedal = what you do on a bike

[Paul S]

I stand corrected...and so does my kickstand.