Candiman Auctions Explained

Republicaninmass · #1 03-11-2018, 07:21 PM

I have a feeling most people who are just relying on returning the items have not been burned in the past. I sent over 4000$ to an auction house last year and they never even called me back. They disappeared Into the wind and took over 50k total from buyers. It just isn't that easy to get your money back.

cardsnstuff · #2 03-11-2018, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I have a feeling most people who are just relying on returning the items have not been burned in the past. I sent over 4000$ to an auction house last year and they never even called me back. They disappeared Into the wind and took over 50k total from buyers. It just isn't that easy to get your money back.

That sucks; and were there no legal avenue's you could pursue?

Republicaninmass · #3 03-11-2018, 07:33 PM

We are pursuing a class action suit. I'll reiterate it isn't easy to "just get your money back". Local cops don't even care, so it's about getting an attorney to scare him enough so he pays.

earlywynnfan · #4 03-11-2018, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

We are pursuing a class action suit. I'll reiterate it isn't easy to "just get your money back". Local cops don't even care, so it's about getting an attorney to scare him enough so he pays.

what AH?

danmckee · #5 03-11-2018, 08:47 PM

The brothers are not answering my emails but had no problem sending me an invoice. No communication at all. I imagine it will be worse if I try to get my money back, that is if I decide to pay in the first place.

LeftHandedDane · #6 03-11-2018, 08:51 PM

I've slogged through the 30-some odd pages of this thread and must confess that I don't get why there is such an uproar here. Maybe its because I buy ungraded cards almost exclusively, in fact I strongly prefer them. Here is what my takeaway is from the Battles'. They freely admit they are selling some cards that have been altered - they have identified them as such in the auction. Additionally, they are guaranteeing that if any card sold in their auction that was NOT identified as altered comes back that way from a TPG they will offer a full refund. That seems like a reasonable position to take.

As a buyer of ungraded cards, I pay little to no attention to the sellers grading of the card - it is almost always overstated! I make my own decision based upon the scan. I do expect the seller to be honest about flaws that may not show up on the scan, or to identify if the card has been altered or trimmed, but just because the seller claims the card is "NM-MT" and its really only "VG-EX" or comes back from PSA as a 4 I don't see that as fraud.

I know that Battlefield was renowned for doctoring/photoshopping the photos of the cards so that the actual card did not match the photo. It does seem, however, that when the buyer took issue with this refunds were generally given.

So, if the photos are genuine, and you know in advance if you are buying a trimmed (or otherwise altered card), I don't see how this auction is any different from any other. Those who desire the lower risk of buying a card in a graded holder are certainly going to sit out this auction; those who prefer them out of slabs can jump in.

oldjudge · #7 03-11-2018, 09:08 PM

Is this the type of guarantee you are talking about? If you are unhappy with our product send back the unused portion and we will return the unused portion of your money.

Why are all these questions coming up after the auction? Shouldn't people have asked them BEFORE they bid?

buymycards · #8 03-11-2018, 09:16 PM

They had over 2400 items in their auction. 980 auctions did not receive a bid. around 650 auctions only received 1 bid. I wonder how many bids are a direct result of their exposure on this board?

I felt like many of the lower end items had starting bids that were way too high.
Even on the lower end items, many of the descriptions failed to mention inks stains, writing, etc.

I won 13 lots, mostly lower end items. I declined to bid on anything that didn't feel right to me. My only concern is with the lack of back scans. I hope I don't get some nasty suprises when I receive the cards and look at the backs.

Rick

botn · #9 03-11-2018, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

Is this the type of guarantee you are talking about? If you are unhappy with our product send back the unused portion and we will return the unused portion of your money.

Why are all these questions coming up after the auction? Shouldn't people have asked them BEFORE they bid?

Jay what shocks me the most is how many people here participated despite all that was brought up in this thread. That is remarkable.

npa589 · #10 03-12-2018, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

what AH?

Maybe it can't be stated here, but I am curious too. What AH did this? That is absolutely awful

botn · #11 03-11-2018, 07:38 PM

I just lost my first dispute on a Citi credit card. I have had less than a dozen go my way, some quite large too over the past 35 years. This one was against Morphy Auctions. They had misidentified the player in a photo I bought. The purchase price was a $350 and the reason Citi would not find in my favor was because the merchant, Morphy Auctions, did not agree to give me a refund.

Well yeah, they did not want to give me a refund when I contacted them upon receipt of the photo so I was not thinking they were going to lay down for Citi. I was able to provide Citi with overwhelming/irrefutable proof the image was misrepresented. Apparently all Morphy had to do was respond to my dispute saying they do not agree. I was provided their response and it consisted of my invoice and proof of delivery, neither addressed the dispute. LOL. I tried to appeal it and Citi instead gave me an in house credit. Not the outcome I wanted but they can probably afford the $350 hit more than I can.

mechanicalman · #12 03-12-2018, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by botn

I just lost my first dispute on a Citi credit card. I have had less than a dozen go my way, some quite large too over the past 35 years. This one was against Morphy Auctions. They had misidentified the player in a photo I bought. The purchase price was a $350 and the reason Citi would not find in my favor was because the merchant, Morphy Auctions, did not agree to give me a refund.

Well yeah, they did not want to give me a refund when I contacted them upon receipt of the photo so I was not thinking they were going to lay down for Citi. I was able to provide Citi with overwhelming/irrefutable proof the image was misrepresented. Apparently all Morphy had to do was respond to my dispute saying they do not agree. I was provided their response and it consisted of my invoice and proof of delivery, neither addressed the dispute. LOL. I tried to appeal it and Citi instead gave me an in house credit. Not the outcome I wanted but they can probably afford the $350 hit more than I can.

I agree it's not that easy to win a charge back. I bought a $4500 Ruth on ebay a few years ago, and the package arrived empty. It took three months of back and forth with AMEX, and they only agreed to a reversal after I sent them a signed affidavit from my postmaster explaining the package they handled felt "light." Thank goodness I was working with a small town post office.

1952boyntoncollector · #13 03-12-2018, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mechanicalman

I agree it's not that easy to win a charge back. I bought a $4500 Ruth on ebay a few years ago, and the package arrived empty. It took three months of back and forth with AMEX, and they only agreed to a reversal after I sent them a signed affidavit from my postmaster explaining the package they handled felt "light." Thank goodness I was working with a small town post office.

what was the market price for that Ruth..

You know what they say

" if you pay light..the package is going to feel light "

bobbyw8469 · #14 03-12-2018, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

what was the market price for that Ruth..

You know what they say

" if you pay light..the package is going to feel light "

Scammers abound everywhere. I once accepted a return for some 1961 Fleer Basketball cards after the guy complained that they had qualifiers on them (after he bid on them and won them with the same qualifiers, because I had scans on everything, and mentioned the qualifiers in the title). He ended up sending back cracked BVG holders and not my cards. Because of the advice over on PSA boards, I opened the package in front of a postal employee who confirmed that I received a "brick" in the mail. While the PSA board gave me good advice, some real jerks over there believed I was lying or at fault somehow in the matter. Made me realize how there are some real grade A assholes in the world.

mechanicalman · #15 03-15-2018, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

what was the market price for that Ruth..

You know what they say

" if you pay light..the package is going to feel light "

WTF does this even mean? I won an auction, so I can assure you I didn�t �pay light.� I�ve never �paid light� on any card I own. Are you suggesting I somehow deserved to get scammed?

Peter_Spaeth · #16 03-15-2018, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mechanicalman

WTF does this even mean? I won an auction, so I can assure you I didn�t �pay light.� I�ve never �paid light� on any card I own. Are you suggesting I somehow deserved to get scammed?

A friend of mine bought a 52T Mantle PSA 4 a few years back and a 57T Mantle PSA 5 showed up in the package. The weight was right, anyhow.

mechanicalman · #17 03-15-2018, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A friend of mine bought a 52T Mantle PSA 4 a few years back and a 57T Mantle PSA 5 showed up in the package. The weight was right, anyhow.

Well, per Jake�s logic, depending on the price he paid, perhaps he was only due a 57 Mantle.

Per my logic, that�s awful. It feels like such a punch in the gut when the package doesn�t contain what you bought. And the fact that a card was sent, with tracking, makes it much harder to build your case as eBay and PayPal are pretty binary when it comes to believing that a tracking number proves the seller�s case.

bobbyw8469 · #18 03-15-2018, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A friend of mine bought a 52T Mantle PSA 4 a few years back and a 57T Mantle PSA 5 showed up in the package. The weight was right, anyhow.

Holy Shit!! That's horrible Peter!! Did the problem ever get resolved?

Republicaninmass · #19 03-19-2018, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

what was the market price for that Ruth..

You know what they say

" if you pay light..the package is going to feel light "

Of all the incoherent posts you've made, this is the most insensitive and inconsiderate I can remember. This a community, and nobody should be so insensitive to another board member. Your follow up post is nothing more than an inadequate attempt to back peddle on your original comment.

You've already had Leon instill a rule about quoting BST prices. Are you proud of that or think you are somehow clever? If you don't plan on adding anything of value to this forum, I suggest you go play in different sandbox with some other children.

mechanicalman · #20 03-19-2018, 09:49 AM

Eddie and Ted:

Thank you for being voices of reason. To be honest, I try hard to ignore anything Jake says, and I have a rule not to engage with him. But when he insinuates that anyone, not just me, deserves to be the victim of theft, it doesn't sit well.

Again, even if, in the rare instance someone gets a "deal" on ebay, in no way do they deserve to receive less than what they paid for. I know others have had this happen, but it feels AWFUL when someone steals your money and you have to jump through hoops to get it back.

And for the record, the Ruth was an SGC 5.5, and in January 2015, Jake, that was certainly not a "light" price paid.

pokerplyr80 · #21 03-19-2018, 11:23 AM

I can see Jake's point in general, but the comment shouldn't have been made in response to Sam's post. It would have been more appropriate in that thread about the guy who sent his bgs 9.5 Jordan RC, worth less than 10k, to Canada to trade for a PSA 9 opc Gretzky worth 30k.

Sam I do agree no one deserves to have their money stolen, but there are people who fall victim to their own stupidity as much as they do to a thief or scammer. I don't have much sympathy for them.

1952boyntoncollector · #22 03-20-2018, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mechanicalman

Eddie and Ted:

Thank you for being voices of reason. To be honest, I try hard to ignore anything Jake says, and I have a rule not to engage with him. But when he insinuates that anyone, not just me, deserves to be the victim of theft, it doesn't sit well.

Again, even if, in the rare instance someone gets a "deal" on ebay, in no way do they deserve to receive less than what they paid for. I know others have had this happen, but it feels AWFUL when someone steals your money and you have to jump through hoops to get it back.

And for the record, the Ruth was an SGC 5.5, and in January 2015, Jake, that was certainly not a "light" price paid.

OK so now we know what the exact card is, i agree you didnt pay light for it. Its a shame that information is only shared now, and wasnt shared even after my other posts....only until now.. Still i havent back peddled on anything, if that same card in the same time frame was bought for $500, then i would expect a light package. If you just shared the info sooner that would of been nice because as you know on this forum people forget to include info on the threads sometimes that would support an opposite view.

I am not talking again about the rare deals you can get on ebay....its the guy with 2 feedback where you are paying 500 for a 5000 market price card..or so wierd new auction where 85% of the people are getting 'deals' Its all of those 'deal' seekers that keep the fraudsters active......

pokerplyr80 · #23 03-12-2018, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mechanicalman

I agree it's not that easy to win a charge back. I bought a $4500 Ruth on ebay a few years ago, and the package arrived empty. It took three months of back and forth with AMEX, and they only agreed to a reversal after I sent them a signed affidavit from my postmaster explaining the package they handled felt "light." Thank goodness I was working with a small town post office.

I'm surprised it came to that. I would have expected the eBay guarantee to take care of an issue like that.

bobbyw8469 · #24 03-15-2018, 01:09 PM

When the winnings start arriving, please post them on here. As for me, I'm still waiting on my one lowly card.

Bpm0014 · #25 03-15-2018, 01:57 PM

Dead silence from Candiman for almost a week now. Good luck everyone....

botn · #26 03-15-2018, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bpm0014

Dead silence from Candiman for almost a week now. Good luck everyone....

I am certain they are busy packing, shipping and preparing for the April auction. Keep those bids rolling in, Net54ers!!!!

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