Probably time to talk about all those Factory30's on...

[Ronnie73]

Are we sure that these cards were not part of the find? I know it was mentioned that there were over 400 cards. I have scans of the 2015-2016 listings but haven't compared them to these cards yet, to see if these were ones sold then and just now graded.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Are we sure that these cards were not part of the find? I know it was mentioned that there were over 400 cards. I have scans of the 2015-2016 listings but haven't compared them to these cards yet, to see if these were ones sold then and just now graded.

Hi Ron,

There is information that some of them were sold off ebay so I can't say
for sure that these aren't from that group but none of them match the
ones sold on ebay and they all seem to have slightly rounder corners.

Here's the Wagner that sold recently on ebay. It has several print spots
that don't match any of the six that sold in the 2015-16 group on ebay.
Wagner ebay.jpg
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[Ronnie73]

Interesting print spots. I remember reading an article somewhere a few years before these cards started showing up, about an old time collector/researcher that confirmed that these cards existed. I just don't remember where I read it.

[t206fix]

Curious, I picked up this no print Wilhelm from Greg Morris about a week ago. Had to wait until I had the card in hand to confirm (I didn't want a back scan mix up). It looks like GM was selling a collection of t206s, he had 30+ listed back to back closing on Sunday and this was buried in the listings. It had quite a few watchers and I was surprised I won it. As you can see the sides are not butchered with scissors like the others found in the kwb1b find, but I'm pretty certain it's from the same collection (see next post). Or, the two finds could be related (see Pat's post #25 above). In the above post, the cards are not chopped up like kwb1b find, but I wonder if they come from the same printing date. Maybe someone grabbed a few sheets on their way out the door and they were split up over time (some sheets to a guy who knew how to cut and some to a kindergartner with dull scissors.)



Does anyone have a Wilhelm NP from the "other" find I can compare it to? I know that Ted mentioned in post 181 of his monster thread that David Hall had previously found 28 sc.460.30 no prints (Wilhelm wasn't on the list). Would love to see scans of all of those as well to see if they are connected.

[t206fix]

Here are 4 of the klb1b cards, and notice they all have brown and green bleeding into the border. The GM card does as well.

Also, note that they hall have that little "center" line right above the name. Most of these cards are missing these as well.

Seems to be these are from the same sheet, or at least printed around the same time. Any thoughts?

[Pat R]

Hi Tony, I"m on a tablet right now but when I get back to my computer I'll check the
folder I have on these to see if I have any different Wilhelm's from the ones you posted.
I have scans of all the no prints that sold and I do know that all of cards had matching
color shifts.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by t206fix

Here are 4 of the klb1b cards, and notice they all have brown and green bleeding into the border. The GM card does as well.

Also, note that they hall have that little "center" line right above the name. Most of these cards are missing these as well.

Seems to be these are from the same sheet, or at least printed around the same time. Any thoughts?

Well that's a surprise. I can't see enough detail on the centerline, but they're probably identical. Which means they're probably from the same position on multiple sheets. If it was one sheet, they should have small differences, like some with the centerline and some without.


I'd think that printed at the same time is as certain as we can get without being there. Once it's set, the registration won't vary much at all.

[t206fix]

Sorry guys, my pictures of pictures are very small. Here are the larger scans, and hopefully you can see better:

Also, notice below his right elbow there is a small window of white by the border.