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Old 04-11-2016, 09:30 PM
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Default T206 350/460 series (illustrated) and why certain T-brands are mutually-exclusive

"Pictures are worth 1000 words"....therefore, I have constructed these scans of the 350/460 series subjects in order to illustrate how the mutually-exclusive 460-type backs
in this series resulted from American Lithographic separating these 63 subjects into two print groups.

Group A of the 350/460 series includes 35 subjects printed and issued with these four 460-type backs (circa..late 1910 > early 1911).

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Factory #25 VA ......................... Factory#42 N.C.


Conversely, these 35 subjects were NOT PRINTED with.... AMERICAN BEAUTY 460....UZIT


Group A

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Group B




Group B of the 350/460 series includes 28 subjects printed and issued with these two 460-type backs (circa..Feb-Mar 1911).


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Conversely, these 28 subjects were NOT PRINTED with.... SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 25....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42....red HINDU....BROAD LEAF 460


Furthermore.....please note my use of the word " subjects " (instead of cards). We do not actually know how many cards were printed on a standard size sheet. These group
numbers (35 and 28 subjects) are rather small. It is very likely that the Group A subjects were Double-Printed, or even Triple-Printed on a standard size sheet. I have several
350/460 series T206's with double-same-names (indicative of vertically Double-Printed cards). This same multiple printing format applies to the Group B subjects.


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The LENOX brand....so far, 43 of these 63 subjects have been confirmed with the LENOX back. I haven't included LENOX in this analysis since a discernible pattern isn't quite
evident at this time. It's still a work in progress.


Your inputs on anything related to this subject are appreciated.


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Old 04-12-2016, 05:27 AM
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Default PIEDMONT 460 Factory #42

With respect to the 350/460 series subjects, PIEDMONT 460 Factory #42 back was printed on all 63 of these subjects.


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Old 04-12-2016, 08:09 PM
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With respect to the 350/460 series subjects, PIEDMONT 460 Factory #42 back was printed on all 63 of these subjects.


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Old 04-13-2016, 06:01 PM
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I received an email from a Net54 reader regarding the CYCLE 460 cards.

Apparently, the CYCLE 460 cards were printed prior to American Lithographic separating into two groups the 63 subjects in the 350/460 series.

All these 63 subjects, and the 46 subjects in the 460-only series, were printed and issued with CYCLE 460 backs.



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Old 04-13-2016, 10:41 PM
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Default Ted...

Thanks to Chris B !! hope this helps

yellow brown scrap collage 350/460 overprint missing.....these were prob concurrently printed with broadleaf 460??
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Old 04-14-2016, 07:54 PM
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Default Hey Johnny V......

....you are the man !

Thanks for posting the scan of those 350/460 series cards. That group of cards is a perfect match for the group I have defined as "Group A" in my introductory post here.

I love it when empirical evidence matches theory.

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Old 04-15-2016, 08:35 PM
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Default SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #30

Johnny V's post reminded me to comment on the 350/460 series subjects printed SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #30 backs.

These 63 subjects were initially printed with this back. However, these cards were never issued. Instead, these cards were overprinted with the Factory #42 N.C.
designation in anticipation of the impending divestiture of the American Tobacco Co. (ATC). The SWEET CAPORAL production was to be transferred from ATC's New
YORK plant (Factory #30) to the Liggett & Myers plant (Factory #42) in Durham, NC.



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T206 collector's value these 350/460 incomplete "scraps" printed only with yellow and brown ink and with SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #30 backs.

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After the "break-up" of ATC in 1911, ATC retained the SWEET CAPORAL brand. The AMERICAN BEAUTY and PIEDMONT brands went to Liggett & Myers.



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As a novice collector of T206, I'm utterly confused with all the back variations. Maybe my brain is fried end of week but reading above is like reading chinese. Lol

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Hi Ted,
Great work on these 350/460s. The bifurcation between regular prints and super prints was in need of further explication and you and others have taken the next steps by showing these mutual exclusivities among the entire 350/460 group. I'll be thinking about what you have posted here and provide thoughts publicly or privately.
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Hi Ted,
Great work on these 350/460s. The bifurcation between regular prints and super prints was in need of further explication and you and others have taken the next steps by showing these mutual exclusivities among the entire 350/460 group. I'll be thinking about what you have posted here and provide thoughts publicly or privately.
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Thanks to all who share with the hobby. Would like to hear your thoughts, Scot, on Ted's findings.
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