Probably time to talk about all those Factory30's on...

[Vintageismygame]

This "find" comes from around the Wichita, Kansas area and the seller is Rock's Dugout in Wichita. I know this because I was there when he had all the cards.

Many of these never made it to the public . . . ask me how I know

[tedzan]

There are 2 groups of these SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #30 cards. This "split-personality" of the 350/460 series was explained
in a thread presented on this forum in April 2016. Check-out this thread....http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=220948

FYI....these 2 groups of cards are displayed here......

Group A

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Group B





TED Z
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[sreader3]

Hi Ted,

Thanks for reviving the April 2016 350/460 profile thread--which was very enlightening.

Sorry I missed your last post on that thread (which I just realized).

Scot

[Pat R]

Grouping subjects together can become complicating. There is evidence
that the layouts changed on different brands and there is even evidence that they changed within the same series and backs.

There were 107 of the factory 30 "no-prints" that were sold on ebay (that I know of) by the same seller, all of them are in
Ted's group B. Multiple examples of every subject in "group B" were sold with the exception of Lajoie, there were no sales of a lajoie example.

Now if you compare this group of Factory 30 "no prints" to one of the test print scraps
with a similar group there a few of outliers.
Test Print Scrap.jpg
Test Print Scrap group.jpg
Represented on the back of these scraps are:
Conroy (With Bat)
McQuillan (With Bat)
Pelty (Vertical)
Burch (Fielding)
Crawford (With Bat)
Mullin (With Bat)
Lake (St Louis-No Ball)
Willetts
Jordan (Batting)
Wagner (Bat On Right Shoulder)
Willis (Batting)
Bradley (With Bat)
Manning (Pitching)
Steinfeldt (With Bat)

All of these are 350-460 subjects and are in both Ted's group B and the group of Factory 30 "no-prints that were sold on ebay.

But also on the backs of these are:
Marquard (pitching)
Schaefer (Washington
Seymour (Portrait)

These three are 460 only subjects. The Schaefer and Seymour are on the
same card so that could be explained by the possibility of more than one
scrap sheet of these but the Marquard (460 only) is next to a Mcquillan (Bat) a 350-460 subject on the same card together.

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Vintageismygame

This "find" comes from around the Wichita, Kansas area and the seller is Rock's Dugout in Wichita. I know this because I was there when he had all the cards.

Many of these never made it to the public . . . ask me how I know

Hi Matt, So i'm asking, how do you know? I need a Lajoie With Bat Factory 30 No Print.

Thanks, Ron

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Hi Matt, So i'm asking, how do you know? I need a Lajoie With Bat Factory 30 No Print.

With the winking face below, I interpreted it to mean that he bought all of them.

[Pat R]

I spoke with Joe from Rocks Dugout, he said he Didn't have much information
on them but he did say that the person brought in over 400 T206 cards that
originated from an estate sale in NY.

[Pat R]

There was a group of nine no prints in PSA holders that recently sold
on ebay and none of them came from this large group that was sold
on ebay in 2015-16 so it looks like at least a couple of sheets survived
from the scrap pile.

No Print Group - Copy.jpg

[Ronnie73]

Are we sure that these cards were not part of the find? I know it was mentioned that there were over 400 cards. I have scans of the 2015-2016 listings but haven't compared them to these cards yet, to see if these were ones sold then and just now graded.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Are we sure that these cards were not part of the find? I know it was mentioned that there were over 400 cards. I have scans of the 2015-2016 listings but haven't compared them to these cards yet, to see if these were ones sold then and just now graded.

Hi Ron,

There is information that some of them were sold off ebay so I can't say
for sure that these aren't from that group but none of them match the
ones sold on ebay and they all seem to have slightly rounder corners.

Here's the Wagner that sold recently on ebay. It has several print spots
that don't match any of the six that sold in the 2015-16 group on ebay.
Wagner ebay.jpg
Wagner%20_1__1.jpg