Probably time to talk about all those Factory30's on...

[Jobu]

The seller told me that s/he was selling them on behalf of someone else and never knew how many more there were because the owner brought them to him/her in the batches in which they were listed. I also recall seeing a mention of the last group so I assume the owner told the seller that this was the end. I was too scared to pay up to get one of the missing OPs because it could have been a big waste of money if there ended up being 30 of each.

I did buy one of the seller's other apparent scraps that was a F30 confirmed as both F30 and F42 OP. This card makes me wonder about sheet layouts - whether a) the printer also scrapped a sheet of F30s that contained cards that were actually issued or b) the 42 OP was applied only to certain cards on a sheet. a) seems much more likely but b) would create some wild patterns. Also in favor of a) is that there were pencil lines on many of the missing OP cards and this one doesn't have them so multiple sheets may have been scrapped.

BTW - if we ever find out that someone cut up a full sheet in 2016 to sell them as singles I will violently throw up.

[Vintageismygame]

This "find" comes from around the Wichita, Kansas area and the seller is Rock's Dugout in Wichita. I know this because I was there when he had all the cards.

Many of these never made it to the public . . . ask me how I know

[tedzan]

There are 2 groups of these SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #30 cards. This "split-personality" of the 350/460 series was explained
in a thread presented on this forum in April 2016. Check-out this thread....http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=220948

FYI....these 2 groups of cards are displayed here......

Group A

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Group B





TED Z
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[sreader3]

Hi Ted,

Thanks for reviving the April 2016 350/460 profile thread--which was very enlightening.

Sorry I missed your last post on that thread (which I just realized).

Scot

[Pat R]

Grouping subjects together can become complicating. There is evidence
that the layouts changed on different brands and there is even evidence that they changed within the same series and backs.

There were 107 of the factory 30 "no-prints" that were sold on ebay (that I know of) by the same seller, all of them are in
Ted's group B. Multiple examples of every subject in "group B" were sold with the exception of Lajoie, there were no sales of a lajoie example.

Now if you compare this group of Factory 30 "no prints" to one of the test print scraps
with a similar group there a few of outliers.
Test Print Scrap.jpg
Test Print Scrap group.jpg
Represented on the back of these scraps are:
Conroy (With Bat)
McQuillan (With Bat)
Pelty (Vertical)
Burch (Fielding)
Crawford (With Bat)
Mullin (With Bat)
Lake (St Louis-No Ball)
Willetts
Jordan (Batting)
Wagner (Bat On Right Shoulder)
Willis (Batting)
Bradley (With Bat)
Manning (Pitching)
Steinfeldt (With Bat)

All of these are 350-460 subjects and are in both Ted's group B and the group of Factory 30 "no-prints that were sold on ebay.

But also on the backs of these are:
Marquard (pitching)
Schaefer (Washington
Seymour (Portrait)

These three are 460 only subjects. The Schaefer and Seymour are on the
same card so that could be explained by the possibility of more than one
scrap sheet of these but the Marquard (460 only) is next to a Mcquillan (Bat) a 350-460 subject on the same card together.

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Vintageismygame

This "find" comes from around the Wichita, Kansas area and the seller is Rock's Dugout in Wichita. I know this because I was there when he had all the cards.

Many of these never made it to the public . . . ask me how I know

Hi Matt, So i'm asking, how do you know? I need a Lajoie With Bat Factory 30 No Print.

Thanks, Ron

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Hi Matt, So i'm asking, how do you know? I need a Lajoie With Bat Factory 30 No Print.

With the winking face below, I interpreted it to mean that he bought all of them.

[Pat R]

I spoke with Joe from Rocks Dugout, he said he Didn't have much information
on them but he did say that the person brought in over 400 T206 cards that
originated from an estate sale in NY.

[Pat R]

There was a group of nine no prints in PSA holders that recently sold
on ebay and none of them came from this large group that was sold
on ebay in 2015-16 so it looks like at least a couple of sheets survived
from the scrap pile.

No Print Group - Copy.jpg

[Ronnie73]

Are we sure that these cards were not part of the find? I know it was mentioned that there were over 400 cards. I have scans of the 2015-2016 listings but haven't compared them to these cards yet, to see if these were ones sold then and just now graded.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Jobu

The seller told me that s/he was selling them on behalf of someone else and never knew how many more there were because the owner brought them to him/her in the batches in which they were listed. I also recall seeing a mention of the last group so I assume the owner told the seller that this was the end. I was too scared to pay up to get one of the missing OPs because it could have been a big waste of money if there ended up being 30 of each.

I did buy one of the seller's other apparent scraps that was a F30 confirmed as both F30 and F42 OP. This card makes me wonder about sheet layouts - whether a) the printer also scrapped a sheet of F30s that contained cards that were actually issued or b) the 42 OP was applied only to certain cards on asheet. a) seems much more likely but b) would create some wild patterns. Also in favor of a) is that there were pencil lines on many of the missing OP cards and this one doesn't have them so multiple sheets may have been scrapped.

BTW - if we ever find out that someone cut up a full sheet in 2016 to sell them as singles I will violently throw up.

Hey Bryan, I agree that a) seems more logical than b). I think I have scans of all of the confirmed and "probable no prints" that were sold on ebay and although there were 72 of the confirmed Factory 30's sold, many with definite hand cuts I couldn't find one with pencil marks while as you stated there were many "no prints" with pencil marks on them.