Your picks for Individual MLB Awards for 2016!

[KCRfan1]

Arguably, Trout may be the best all around player, but that doesn't translate to him getting the MVP award each year.

The numbers just aren't there this year for Trout.

[nat]

Trout is leading the league in OPS+ (on-base plus slugging, adjusted to account for the park he plays in); and that understates how good he's been, since he is also leading the league in on-base percentage. (Which is more important than slugging percentage.)

He's already over 10 bWAR. It is, according to bWAR, already the 48th greatest position-player season of all time (tied with Hornsby 1927, Rosen 1953, Ruth 1928, and Speaker 1912), and he's still got something like a week and a half left to add on to that.

Trout should be running away with this one. The Angels stink though, and the voters care about that (despite explicit instructions not to), so he probably won't win it.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

Arguably, Trout may be one of the best players through his age 25 season ever, but that doesn't translate to him getting the MVP award each year.

The numbers just aren't there this year for Trout.

you're looking at the wrong numbers. haven't you been following what the kc front office has been doing for the last few years? they're one of the forerunners of the analytics movement in baseball, guess it didn't trickle down to the fans.

edit: i fixed your post for u

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

you're looking at the wrong numbers. haven't you been following what the kc front office has been doing for the last few years? they're one of the forerunners of the analytics movement in baseball, guess it didn't trickle down to the fans.

edit: i fixed your post for u

No need to throw insults.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

No need to throw insults.

wasn't meant to be an insult...just that they got to back to back world series winnning one doing it all on a small market budget against these teams with 200mil payrolls. you thought that was a fluke or luck?

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

wasn't meant to be an insult...just that they got to back to back world series winnning one doing it all on a small market budget against these teams with 200mil payrolls. you thought that was a fluke or luck?

I have followed the team since 1972.

I have seen the team win and lose and been just as big of fan regardless. No bandwagoner here!

The margin for " error " with this team is slim. (You obviously know the game and probably know this, so I apologize if I am telling you something you know.)

That's why the staff goes 5 or 6 innings, and the pen takes over. Our SP is not very good, and the pressure on the pen to be the best, or even " record breaking " in their effectiveness each season is unreasonable. The pen failed miserably this season.

Heading into this season 2016, widely held belief here in KC was the team was better than last year.

The 2015 team had few if any injuries. Players had career years. The pen was the very best in the game, and arguably the best in history of the game.

Hosmer was the only player to repeat the performance of 2015, and even perform a little better in 2016. Everyone else had a drop in performance. The 2016 team also dealt with major injuries from major contributors from the 2015 team.

The problem I have had with this team is their " aggressiveness " at the plate. They swing at everything, and for the past two seasons, and maybe three, KC has been among the worst teams at swinging at pitches out of the strike zone. They are also among the worst in drawing walks, and as a result, the opposing pitcher throws fewer pitches and can go deeper in the game. KC SP has thrown the fewest innings of any staff for the past 2 or three years. The talent isn't there, it's in the pen.

These are a few things that I have seen, and others in KC have too. IMO this is not a blueprint for success, at least not longterm. Too many things have to go right, hence a slim margin for error.

So, while analytics played a part in KC success, a large part required things to go " right " and lucky that players had career years and remained healthy.

What are your thoughts?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

Arguably, Trout may be the best all around player, but that doesn't translate to him getting the MVP award each year.

The numbers just aren't there this year for Trout.

It's a question of which numbers. Look at his on base percentage and WAR for example. As an example of a metric that doesn't show up in the glamour numbers, I believe he has walked 50 or 60 more times than Betts. That's pretty significant.

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's a question of which numbers. Look at his on base percentage and WAR for example. As an example of a metric that doesn't show up in the glamour numbers, I believe he has walked 50 or 60 more times than Betts. That's pretty significant.

No doubt Trout gets on base and is a huge benefit for the Angels. Betts gets on base too, not the same percentage as Trout though. In exchange for the walks, Betts has almost 40 more hits than Trout. I'll take those hits any day over a walk. Those walks only move a runner that is directly in front, one base. The extra hits that Betts has, moves runners on all bases and in some instances, two bases. I'll take that production every time.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

No doubt Trout gets on base and is a huge benefit for the Angels. Betts gets on base too, not the same percentage as Trout though. In exchange for the walks, Betts has almost 40 more hits than Trout. I'll take those hits any day over a walk. Those walks only move a runner that is directly in front, one base. The extra hits that Betts has, moves runners on all bases and in some instances, two bases. I'll take that production every time.

Trout has a higher slugging average.

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Trout has a higher slugging average.

LOL, ok...we're splitting hairs. Hard to go wrong with either player!

Tell me about the Bob Evans logo. Is there a story?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

LOL, ok...we're splitting hairs. Hard to go wrong with either player!

Tell me about the Bob Evans logo. Is there a story?

True that. Both have had great years. The logo? A nod to the banned Mr. Evans, naturally. Sincere or sarcastic? In the eye of the beholder.

[Paul S]

You can only work with what the pitcher is gonna give you - and my hats off to both of them for recognizing such. Trout has more walks because of the Angels anemic lineup - not a knock on Puljos, it just is. Betts gets more hits because who ate you going to pitch around in that lineup? Angels have a -33 run differential and Boston +189!

As far as Mr. Evans, This beholder's eye sees your avatar as making him a martyr for everything that is cruel and unjust about Net54