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Old 09-23-2016, 07:22 AM
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Arguably, Trout may be the best all around player, but that doesn't translate to him getting the MVP award each year.

The numbers just aren't there this year for Trout.
It's a question of which numbers. Look at his on base percentage and WAR for example. As an example of a metric that doesn't show up in the glamour numbers, I believe he has walked 50 or 60 more times than Betts. That's pretty significant.
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It's a question of which numbers. Look at his on base percentage and WAR for example. As an example of a metric that doesn't show up in the glamour numbers, I believe he has walked 50 or 60 more times than Betts. That's pretty significant.
No doubt Trout gets on base and is a huge benefit for the Angels. Betts gets on base too, not the same percentage as Trout though. In exchange for the walks, Betts has almost 40 more hits than Trout. I'll take those hits any day over a walk. Those walks only move a runner that is directly in front, one base. The extra hits that Betts has, moves runners on all bases and in some instances, two bases. I'll take that production every time.
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No doubt Trout gets on base and is a huge benefit for the Angels. Betts gets on base too, not the same percentage as Trout though. In exchange for the walks, Betts has almost 40 more hits than Trout. I'll take those hits any day over a walk. Those walks only move a runner that is directly in front, one base. The extra hits that Betts has, moves runners on all bases and in some instances, two bases. I'll take that production every time.
Trout has a higher slugging average.
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Trout has a higher slugging average.
LOL, ok...we're splitting hairs. Hard to go wrong with either player!

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Old 09-23-2016, 09:16 PM
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LOL, ok...we're splitting hairs. Hard to go wrong with either player!

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True that. Both have had great years. The logo? A nod to the banned Mr. Evans, naturally. Sincere or sarcastic? In the eye of the beholder.
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You can only work with what the pitcher is gonna give you - and my hats off to both of them for recognizing such. Trout has more walks because of the Angels anemic lineup - not a knock on Puljos, it just is. Betts gets more hits because who ate you going to pitch around in that lineup? Angels have a -33 run differential and Boston +189!

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nl cy--jofer...rip big guy may there be more players like you and less redasses like madbum and mccann.

re royals: their projection for this year had them miss the playoffs, so they are what they are...although they way overshot their projection last year. of course we all know baseball is very random and small sample size luck vary season by season...so the smart front offices are pushing .5-2% edges to tilt the math in their favors against the randomness. that's why the diamondbacks and angels will always suck as long as they keep hiring old-school guys who'd rather settle the bean ball score than actually look at l/r splits.

edit: it's also a weird take that somehow the best player is NOT the most valuable. everyone agrees trout is the best, he gives your team 10wins every year...but he's not as valuable as the other guys who measures out at 8, 7, and even 5 wins. so ortiz only gives you 5 wins, but his fiery speeches somehow makes up the other 5 wins in the standing.
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