Your picks for Individual MLB Awards for 2016!

[familytoad]

AL:

MVP: Betts
CY: Porcello
ROY: Gary Sanchez

NL:

MVP: Bryant
CY: Scherzer
ROY: Seager

I can't believe I am picking two Red Sox in the AL, but I think they deserve it.
Kinda stuck on NL cy winner, many pitchers are really close...Bumgarner, Hendricks, Lester, Jansen, Fernandez maybe some love for Kershaw or Arrietta.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by familytoad

AL:

MVP: Betts
CY: Porcello
ROY: Gary Sanchez

NL:

MVP: Bryant
CY: Scherzer
ROY: Seager

I can't believe I am picking two Red Sox in the AL, but I think they deserve it.
Kinda stuck on NL cy winner, many pitchers are really close...Bumgarner, Hendricks, Lester, Jansen, Fernandez maybe some love for Kershaw or Arrietta.

yeah it's tough, Fernandez is the WAR leader, but Scherzer is right there and I think was the better overall pitcher. Hendricks has a claim too IMO (but I think he and Arrietta will split too many Cub votes for either to win)

[58pinson]

AL: MVP - Betts
Cy Young - Kluber
Rookie - Sanchez


NL: MVP - Murphy
Cy Young - Fernandez
Rookie - Seager

[KCRfan1]

AL MVP - Betts
AL CY - Kluber
ROY - Fulmer


NL MVP - Murphy
NL CY - Scherzer
ROY - Seager


What am I missing in the votes for Trout as the MVP?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

AL MVP - Betts
AL CY - Kluber
ROY - Fulmer


NL MVP - Murphy
NL CY - Scherzer
ROY - Seager


What am I missing in the votes for Trout as the MVP?

The fact that he is the best all around player in the league, and in baseball, and this from a Boston fan.

[chaddurbin]

betts is around 30% better than league avg as a hitter, trout is 70%, so he's betts on steroids...and trout plays at a more premium position (altho betts can certainly play CF also).

AL mvp--trout
nl mvp--bryant
nl roy-- seager unanimous

don't really care about the other clusterf*(* awards, seems like a down year for pitching too bad kershaw got hurt no one else really that dominant. sanchez needs another month playing time to really get some al roy consideration.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

yeah it's tough, Fernandez is the WAR leader, but Scherzer is right there and I think was the better overall pitcher. Hendricks has a claim too IMO (but I think he and Arrietta will split too many Cub votes for either to win)

Not to mention a guy named Lester at 18-4 and 2.36. Would anyone have believed a couple of months ago that one could legitimately say Arietta was only the third best pitcher on the Cubs?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

yeah it's tough, Fernandez is the WAR leader, but Scherzer is right there and I think was the better overall pitcher. Hendricks has a claim too IMO (but I think he and Arrietta will split too many Cub votes for either to win)

Where are you getting that? According to ESPN Fernandez isn't even in the top 10
for WAR in the NL, and Scherzer leads.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/pitchi...6/seasontype/2

[KCRfan1]

Arguably, Trout may be the best all around player, but that doesn't translate to him getting the MVP award each year.

The numbers just aren't there this year for Trout.

[nat]

Trout is leading the league in OPS+ (on-base plus slugging, adjusted to account for the park he plays in); and that understates how good he's been, since he is also leading the league in on-base percentage. (Which is more important than slugging percentage.)

He's already over 10 bWAR. It is, according to bWAR, already the 48th greatest position-player season of all time (tied with Hornsby 1927, Rosen 1953, Ruth 1928, and Speaker 1912), and he's still got something like a week and a half left to add on to that.

Trout should be running away with this one. The Angels stink though, and the voters care about that (despite explicit instructions not to), so he probably won't win it.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

Arguably, Trout may be one of the best players through his age 25 season ever, but that doesn't translate to him getting the MVP award each year.

The numbers just aren't there this year for Trout.

you're looking at the wrong numbers. haven't you been following what the kc front office has been doing for the last few years? they're one of the forerunners of the analytics movement in baseball, guess it didn't trickle down to the fans.

edit: i fixed your post for u

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

you're looking at the wrong numbers. haven't you been following what the kc front office has been doing for the last few years? they're one of the forerunners of the analytics movement in baseball, guess it didn't trickle down to the fans.

edit: i fixed your post for u

No need to throw insults.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

No need to throw insults.

wasn't meant to be an insult...just that they got to back to back world series winnning one doing it all on a small market budget against these teams with 200mil payrolls. you thought that was a fluke or luck?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

Arguably, Trout may be the best all around player, but that doesn't translate to him getting the MVP award each year.

The numbers just aren't there this year for Trout.

It's a question of which numbers. Look at his on base percentage and WAR for example. As an example of a metric that doesn't show up in the glamour numbers, I believe he has walked 50 or 60 more times than Betts. That's pretty significant.

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's a question of which numbers. Look at his on base percentage and WAR for example. As an example of a metric that doesn't show up in the glamour numbers, I believe he has walked 50 or 60 more times than Betts. That's pretty significant.

No doubt Trout gets on base and is a huge benefit for the Angels. Betts gets on base too, not the same percentage as Trout though. In exchange for the walks, Betts has almost 40 more hits than Trout. I'll take those hits any day over a walk. Those walks only move a runner that is directly in front, one base. The extra hits that Betts has, moves runners on all bases and in some instances, two bases. I'll take that production every time.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

No doubt Trout gets on base and is a huge benefit for the Angels. Betts gets on base too, not the same percentage as Trout though. In exchange for the walks, Betts has almost 40 more hits than Trout. I'll take those hits any day over a walk. Those walks only move a runner that is directly in front, one base. The extra hits that Betts has, moves runners on all bases and in some instances, two bases. I'll take that production every time.

Trout has a higher slugging average.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Where are you getting that? According to ESPN Fernandez isn't even in the top 10
for WAR in the NL, and Scherzer leads.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/pitchi...6/seasontype/2

the only WAR I use : fangraphs

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...ter=&players=0


it uses FIP instead of ERA+ and tho pitcher war is nowhere near as solid as batter war, I prefer FIP. ymmv

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

the only WAR I use : fangraphs

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...ter=&players=0


it uses FIP instead of ERA+ and tho pitcher war is nowhere near as solid as batter war, I prefer FIP. ymmv

That is a vastly different ranking. Interesting.

[Peter_Spaeth]

If there was an award for biggest drop off the cliff, Bryce Harper would win easily. His batting average is down 90 points, his slugging average down 200, and his OPS down 300 from last year. Wow.

[packs]

I vote Trout because he leads or is in the top 3 of nearly all advanced offensive statistics while doing the same thing on defense as a center fielder. He's also having a better season this year than he did when he did win the MVP.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

the only WAR I use : fangraphs

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...ter=&players=0


it uses FIP instead of ERA+ and tho pitcher war is nowhere near as solid as batter war, I prefer FIP. ymmv

Ah, but even Fangraphs has a flaw. The pitcher who is leading the majors in Fangraphs WAR doesn't even appear on their leader chart...

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Ah, but even Fangraphs has a flaw. The pitcher who is leading the majors in Fangraphs WAR doesn't even appear on their leader chart...

check the table to the right there ,it's listing only people who qualify for the ERA title (162 innings pitched) if you lower the required innings it will show em all!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I know, but WAR is basically a counting stat and not a rate stat, the fact that someone has missed enough time to not be official but still has the highest WAR among pitchers is mind-blowing.