1954 Topps Ernie Banks PSA 8 PWCC

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

Cards in under a 7 grade don't matter?
I think it would be more accurate if you said, at the high end of high dollar cards (7 and above) the flip matters more than the card. As we go down the totem pole in grade, the flip matters less. How about that?

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I disagree. Try posting something on BST or your site with the flip covered up and see if anyone buys it without inquiring.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I disagree. Try posting something on BST or your site with the flip covered up and see if anyone buys it without inquiring.

haha i going to do that...i will guarantee it is graded with no qualifers etc ....after all the flip doesnt matter..

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I disagree. Try posting something on BST or your site with the flip covered up and see if anyone buys it without inquiring.

The flip matters less with respect to value was my point I was trying to make. Also, further above, we were talking about a 7 or higher Mantle. Only an idiot wouldn't want to know what is on a flip if it were covered up. However, On the lower grades it doesn't always equate to the highest value, that is the point if you would like to argue or debate that one?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

The flip matters less with respect to value was my point I was trying to make. Also, further above, we were talking about a 7 or higher Mantle. Only an idiot wouldn't want to know what is on a flip if it were covered up. However, On the lower grades it doesn't always equate to the highest value, that is the point if you would like to argue or debate that one?

It doesn't ALWAYS I agree. But in the overwhelming majority of cases it does. And as I said, often where it doesn't, it's card doctors and other bumpers.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Leon

The flip matters less with respect to value was my point I was trying to make. Also, further above, we were talking about a 7 or higher Mantle. Only an idiot wouldn't want to know what is on a flip if it were covered up. However, On the lower grades it doesn't always equate to the highest value, that is the point if you would like to argue or debate that one?

right on the lower grades where there exist plenty of high grade cards for that type of card..

[bobbyw8469]

I just posted pics of the 1's. Like I said, I had a centered Reggie Jackson rookie PSA 6 that outsold PWCC's 7's of the same card. I also had a centered Bob Gibson rookie PSA 5.5 that outsold PSA 6's of the same card (all during PWCC auctions where the different grades were being sold at the same time). That being said, the higher grade WILL NOT always outsell the lower grade counterpart. And we are talking about more than $100.

[bobbyw8469]

Interesting thread. I enjoy reading other collectors viewpoints on the whole label vs card phenomenon.

[ls7plus]

I just hope these values hold up until the hobby focus shifts, as it inevitably does--in this instance, away from '50's and '60's cards. It was only 2007 when Bill Goodwin and I spoke personally, and he told me that cards from that era "sell [at auction], but not like pre-war cards do." Imagine what bargains truly significant and far rarer cards from 1900 to 1947 or so will seem to be when the spotlight once again shines on them!!! Never think things will remain the same--the only constant is change. Don't get caught holding high dollar cards that are far from being in short supply when that change arrives--bulls and bears can both profit, but pigs get slaughtered!

Best to all,

Larry