1954 Topps Ernie Banks PSA 8 PWCC

[Leon]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right we know that...but should the grade means a range....

instead of me describing a card as a 7.5, i didnt feel like saying 'i had a card with a slight top to bottom tilt, one corner has a touch on it on it which i would say the touch is a 2 out of 10 with 1 being the best on the scale. The north east corner was a 1 out of 10, the southeast corner was 2 out of ten...there was a slight printer dot on the bottom left, there was a slight scuff....

I just like saying i had a 7.5.....saves time....yes all 7.5 arent equal...i thought mine was pretty good which was listed for 3500 or so .and a 8 just sold for 18k....thats all im saying....

I would prefer (personally speaking) had you said...it's a 7.5 but has way better centering (or whatever) than the average ones. Otherwise, with no explanation I am thinking it's average and might not even look at it. But that is just me and I am probably in the minority as usual.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Leon

I would prefer (personally speaking) had you said...it's a 7.5 but has way better centering (or whatever) than the average ones. Otherwise, with no explanation I am thinking it's average and might not even look. But that is just me and I am probably in the minority as usual.

generally the banks rookie card 1954 really shows well compared to other 54s because the color of the card is close to the border color....the only bad attributes on that card is top to bottom centering.....most 54 banks when you are getting to the psa 6 level in better have really good eye appeal

[Leon]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

generally the banks rookie card 1954 really shows well compared to other 54s because the color of the card is close to the border color....the only bad attributes on that card is top to bottom centering.....most 54 banks when you are getting to the psa 6 level in better have really good eye appeal

I agree on the eye appeal but the centering is so hard to tell and almost always off top to bottom as you mention. This one has a nice top border, but it could be a tad bit bigger..

[1952boyntoncollector]

Right the centering doesnt show on a Banks like it does a 51 mantle....theres a lot more leeway on centering on the 54 banks...thats why i think you can say you have a graded 7.5 and comparing prices with a grade 8 versus other cards in other sets where the border is really easy to seee

[bobbyw8469]

Leon is right. Cards rule. I have had cards grade '1' sell for more than their PSA 3 counterparts. Check out my 1956 Mantle and 1953 Bowman Color Pee Wee Reese to see some BEAUTIFUL 1's that outsold their higher graded counterparts. I understand your thinking that a card attained a certain grade, and therefore should sell for a certain price, but the bottom line is - the card rules. I think more and more people are swaying around to that line of thinking.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Leon is right. Cards rule. I have had cards grade '1' sell for more than their PSA 3 counterparts. Check out my 1956 Mantle and 1953 Bowman Color Pee Wee Reese to see some BEAUTIFUL 1's that outsold their higher graded counterparts. I understand your thinking that a card attained a certain grade, and therefore should sell for a certain price, but the bottom line is - the card rules. I think more and more people are swaying around to that line of thinking.

for those cards thats like a difference of 100 bucks or whatever...i like to see an auction were a psa 5 RC mantle goes for less than a PSA 4 RC mantle in the very same auction..when its about 1000s and 1000s people sell the holder not the card...even if there is one example that can be pointed too..the fact that 99% of the auctions you wont be able to point too show you that grades rule not cards...

[bobbyw8469]

Ahh..my friend...you must not be a VCP member. A little research goes a long way to see I am telling the truth.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-Topps-M...247?rmvSB=true

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-Topps-M...372?rmvSB=true

That is a '1' vs a PSA '3.5' by the almighty PWCC nonetheless! I think that is a clear example that people are looking at the cards and not the flips. The times are changing. Adapt or get crushed.

Research yourself...I am too busy. I had a Reggie Jackson rookie PSA 6 that sold for more than its PSA 7 counterpart in the SAME AUCTION (with PWCC). The same statement can be said for a Bob Gibson rookie I had with PWCC. You HAVE to account for centering and overall eye appeal of the card.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Leon is right. Cards rule. I have had cards grade '1' sell for more than their PSA 3 counterparts. Check out my 1956 Mantle and 1953 Bowman Color Pee Wee Reese to see some BEAUTIFUL 1's that outsold their higher graded counterparts. I understand your thinking that a card attained a certain grade, and therefore should sell for a certain price, but the bottom line is - the card rules. I think more and more people are swaying around to that line of thinking.

If a dealer that relied purely on the flip for pricing were selling these cards, I would buy these at "PSA 1 prices" in a heartbeat.