ebay sucks...advice needed

[3-2-count]

This is why I do not sell on EBay.

Sorry Pete...

[mrmopar]

I do not sell at this point, but think I would like to someday and I worry about things like that. years ago, I sold for a shop and a few odd things of my own and it seemed like I always attracted a flake in every batch I sold, but it was mostly low end stuff and my issues seemed to be a lot of non-paying bidders. In the past, as a buyer, I was scammed a few times with bait/switch and non-receipt and it really pisses you off.

However, I want to believe that even though these types of situations really sting and stick in your mind, that they are the small minority of transactions.

[Snapolit1]

I have sold on EBay and 98% no bad issues. But then something rears up (usually buyer's remorse) and it's a major pain. Then again, sure people do the same thing at card shows.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I have sold on EBay and 98% no bad issues. But then something rears up (usually buyer's remorse) and it's a major pain. Then again, sure people do the same thing at card shows.

I agree 100%

[CurtisFlood]

I quit feebay around 2003. It was profitable but time consuming and the exasperation of situations like this made it not worth my time. It is my understanding that it has only gotten worse in the last 12 or so years.

[Cozumeleno]

Originally Posted by CurtisFlood

I quit feebay around 2003. It was profitable but time consuming and the exasperation of situations like this made it not worth my time. It is my understanding that it has only gotten worse in the last 12 or so years.

It is definitely worse in terms of much less protection for sellers and the fact that buyers cannot receive negative feedback pretty much makes it open season. Buyers are much more brazen about feedback knowing there is no retaliation.

All of that said, in terms of actual bad transactions, I have to say that I really am not having any more than I did ten years ago there. I think it is much easier for buyers to get away with things now but overall, the amount of problems I personally have is still very small. There are times when it gets frustrating but there really are few options out there and none offer the exposure of eBay.

[Iron Horse]

Sorry to hear that Pete.
I sold a Topps Black Chrome Lebron James PSA 10 like 2 years ago. About 48 days after the auction had ended the guy requests to send the card back. I called ebay and they said he claimed that he sent the card to BGS to have it cross. Obviously if it went into a BGS10 card would be $$$$. BGS sent it back supposedly saying card was shaved on upper border.
Had to refund him his $850. Wish i had that card now lol
ebay sucks if you are selling stuff and the buyer is not an honest or resonable person.

[ullmandds]

i kinda figured I had no recourse...still waiting to hear back from buyer. and I assume if I refuse to pay ebay would boot me over $50 right?!

[Tedski_TX]

Ebay is not the demon many people make them out to be. The deck is not automatically stacked against sellers. A buyer once filed a claim against me, but I gave ebay a persuasive defense, and ebay could see the messages that passed between the buyer and me. Ebay ended up refunding the guy's money out of their own pocket (though they didn't remove the buyer's negative feedback )

[bbcard1]

It's a rigged game, but it's the best game out there. I do not sell high value items on ebay, but it's great for midrange items. It can also be very good for just plain odd stuff

[bmattioli]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

It's a rigged game, but it's the best game out there. I do not sell high value items on ebay, but it's great for midrange items. It can also be very good for just plain odd stuff

Thus is EBay.. Very true..

[Jeff1970Red]

Just received my first PSA submission back, 4 of the 15 cards were not graded. All purchased from three separate "reputable" e-bay sellers. Two of the sellers have not returned multiple messages.

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[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Jeff1970Red

Just received my first PSA submission back, 4 of the 15 cards were not graded. All purchased from three separate "reputable" e-bay sellers. Two of the sellers have not returned multiple messages.

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If one of those sellers is Battlefield or Great Lakes Auction House, you could have saved yourself alot of headache by reading here first. They have a pattern of their card selling, that nets them alot of money, but doesn't favor a buyer of their cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Jeff1970Red

Just received my first PSA submission back, 4 of the 15 cards were not graded. All purchased from three separate "reputable" e-bay sellers. Two of the sellers have not returned multiple messages.

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If cards advertised as being high grade are not in holders, there is frequently a reason.

[Scocs]

Sadly, this seems to be the Truth....

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If cards advertised as being high grade are not in holders, there is frequently a reason.

[Tedski_TX]

Originally Posted by Jeff1970Red

Just received my first PSA submission back, 4 of the 15 cards were not graded. All purchased from three separate "reputable" e-bay sellers. Two of the sellers have not returned multiple messages.

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If what 95% of the posters on this topic say is true (ebay is rigged against sellers; sellers' word means nothing; ebay protects buyer at all cost, etc) you should have no trouble getting a refund.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by Tedski_TX

If what 95% of the posters on this topic say is true (ebay is rigged against sellers; sellers' word means nothing; ebay protects buyer at all cost, etc) you should have no trouble getting a refund.

eBay isn't rigged. You just need to know how it works.

That being said there are still a very, very small percent of buyers that understand how the system works to the point that they could extort the seller with the seller having no recourse, that extortion is limited to their purchase price including original shipping and shipping back to the seller. I get to speak for a very large sample size of the market - the chance of this happening in any one transaction is .000000062%

Had Ull responded asking for photographs of the packaging materials and goods in the package he would have had a chance to win the case, but with how he reacted he was "forced" into a refund. 49 times out of 50 the buyer threw out the packaging and won't provide proper photographs, resulting in winning your side - them calling eBay and appealing, and eBay sending them a refund out of eBay's own pocket while you still keep your money. See - both parties are happy - that is all eBay cares about.

eBay simply wants you to walk (not run) through the process they have set up that is "buyer and seller protection". As with the government - you need to file the proper forms, cross your t's and dot your i's. eBay is becoming more and more bureaucratic. Someone will always find a loophole to abuse on both sides of the buying/selling spectrum. As I post in my signature, if you ever need advice about an eBay situation PLEASE reach out to me. I can help you. I deal with this many times a day. It is my job.

Edit - Fixed some math. I think. It's early on a Sunday and I haven't had my coffee yet.
Edit again - Now the math is fixed. I had missed a 0. Coffee operational.

[Cozumeleno]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i kinda figured I had no recourse...still waiting to hear back from buyer. and I assume if I refuse to pay ebay would boot me over $50 right?!

I don't think it's a matter of refusing - they will likely debit your account directly linked to eBay or Paypal upon receipt of the buyer sending everything back.

I sell on eBay quite a bit but hate selling lots like that one for fear of that happening. It's just annoying. I'd fight it, even though your case will be a hard one. You never know who will be on the receiving end and consider it. Also, if they have had other issues with that buyer and returns, that may help you. Plus, even if you lose you'll get some (if not all) of the collection back since the buyer will have to show it was sent back and received by you before getting a refund (I think).

Good luck.

[Rookiemonster]

The buyer will have to send it back for your inspection ! If you say they are not the cards you sent and /or some are missing . You win

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

The buyer will have to send it back for your inspection ! If you say they are not the cards you sent and /or some are missing . You win

The buyer can send back an empty box, and if tracking shows delivered he loses.

A sellers word means absolutely zero to Ebay..............and even less to Paypal.

[ALR-bishop]

...wins ? Buyer

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

The buyer can send back an empty box, and if tracking shows delivered he loses.

A sellers word means absolutely zero to Ebay..............and even less to Paypal.

Not true , the seller has to inspect what the buyer sent back to make sure it's what the seller sold . I been though this it's a fact .

[edhans]

Originally Posted by 3-2-count

This is why I do not sell on EBay.

Sorry Pete...

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