Probably time to talk about all those Factory30's on...

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Search on net54 for thread with T206 Sweet Caporal Magee in the title and you shall find what you seek, says the spider to the fly.

Brian

Thanks... this is it:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=185417


scans from the thread:

[sreader3]

Very nice catch -- I missed these on eBay. Super interesting, but I think in the end they are scrap -- akin to the "yellow brown" 350/460 RP SC 460/30s scrap that were previously known.

Essentially I agree with Luke. These were likely intended to be SC 460/42 overstrikes but were discarded as a sheet before the overstrike and hand-cut.

Scot

[Sean]

Originally Posted by sreader3

Very nice catch -- I missed these on eBay. Super interesting, but I think in the end they are scrap -- akin to the "yellow brown" 350/460 RP SC 460/30s scrap that were previously known.

Essentially I agree with Luke. These were likely intended to be SC 460/42 overstrikes but were discarded as a sheet before the overstrike and hand-cut.

Scot

+1 This explanation makes the most sense to me. Interesting that they've stayed together in the same collection for so long.

[Pat R]

I was wondering if anyone got any information from the seller about these.
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I think someone mentioned in another thread about them that the seller
told them he was selling them for someone else.

I had contacted the seller while he was still listing them and I told him
that I wasn't looking to do any off ebay deals I was just interested
in some background info if he was willing to share that. He did get
back to me and said he was busy and would email me when he
had time but he never did get back to me. I did send him another email
after he sold what he claimed was the last one but he never responded.

[Jobu]

The seller told me that s/he was selling them on behalf of someone else and never knew how many more there were because the owner brought them to him/her in the batches in which they were listed. I also recall seeing a mention of the last group so I assume the owner told the seller that this was the end. I was too scared to pay up to get one of the missing OPs because it could have been a big waste of money if there ended up being 30 of each.

I did buy one of the seller's other apparent scraps that was a F30 confirmed as both F30 and F42 OP. This card makes me wonder about sheet layouts - whether a) the printer also scrapped a sheet of F30s that contained cards that were actually issued or b) the 42 OP was applied only to certain cards on a sheet. a) seems much more likely but b) would create some wild patterns. Also in favor of a) is that there were pencil lines on many of the missing OP cards and this one doesn't have them so multiple sheets may have been scrapped.

BTW - if we ever find out that someone cut up a full sheet in 2016 to sell them as singles I will violently throw up.

[Vintageismygame]

This "find" comes from around the Wichita, Kansas area and the seller is Rock's Dugout in Wichita. I know this because I was there when he had all the cards.

Many of these never made it to the public . . . ask me how I know

[tedzan]

There are 2 groups of these SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #30 cards. This "split-personality" of the 350/460 series was explained
in a thread presented on this forum in April 2016. Check-out this thread....http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=220948

FYI....these 2 groups of cards are displayed here......

Group A

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Group B





TED Z
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[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Vintageismygame

This "find" comes from around the Wichita, Kansas area and the seller is Rock's Dugout in Wichita. I know this because I was there when he had all the cards.

Many of these never made it to the public . . . ask me how I know

Hi Matt, So i'm asking, how do you know? I need a Lajoie With Bat Factory 30 No Print.

Thanks, Ron

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Jobu

The seller told me that s/he was selling them on behalf of someone else and never knew how many more there were because the owner brought them to him/her in the batches in which they were listed. I also recall seeing a mention of the last group so I assume the owner told the seller that this was the end. I was too scared to pay up to get one of the missing OPs because it could have been a big waste of money if there ended up being 30 of each.

I did buy one of the seller's other apparent scraps that was a F30 confirmed as both F30 and F42 OP. This card makes me wonder about sheet layouts - whether a) the printer also scrapped a sheet of F30s that contained cards that were actually issued or b) the 42 OP was applied only to certain cards on asheet. a) seems much more likely but b) would create some wild patterns. Also in favor of a) is that there were pencil lines on many of the missing OP cards and this one doesn't have them so multiple sheets may have been scrapped.

BTW - if we ever find out that someone cut up a full sheet in 2016 to sell them as singles I will violently throw up.

Hey Bryan, I agree that a) seems more logical than b). I think I have scans of all of the confirmed and "probable no prints" that were sold on ebay and although there were 72 of the confirmed Factory 30's sold, many with definite hand cuts I couldn't find one with pencil marks while as you stated there were many "no prints" with pencil marks on them.