rarest backs

[DeanH3]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

If we limit it to cards that have a cataloged front, comprise less than 1% of the cataloged set's total population, and of which fewer than 50 examples with the rare back are known to exist, what should we add or subtract from this group? (Let's also omit the blank backs and supplements and blue Old Mill for now.)


E98 Old Put
E121 Kings
M101-4/5 Everybody's, Haserot's, Holmes to Homes, Mall Theater
R316 Douglas Park, Morton, Rialto
T206 Old Mill (brown)
T206 Lenox (brown)
T206 Broad Leaf 460
"T206" Ty Cobb
T207 Red Cross
T213-3 Overprint
T216 Virginia Extra
W514 Hendler's, Barker
W515 Fleer, Jersey
W551 Wool's
W573/E120 Cafe du Monde, Cream Nut, Kings, Leader Theatre
W575 Johnson, Haffner's, Clark's, Gassler's

I think T213-1's should be added. I surmise there are less than 50 of each.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

I think T213-1's should be added. I surmise there are less than 50 of each.

Even so, they're about 50 times too plentiful for what I'm trying to list.

[ValKehl]

There also exists a W575-1 with the Leader Theatre back. I don't have one in my type collection to show (wish I did!), but Leon shows one in his fabulous type collection, which anyone can view by clicking on "VINTAGE LINKS" at the top of the page.
Val

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Even so, they're about 50 times too plentiful for what I'm trying to list.

"50" is not the population number of 1910 COUPON (T213-1) cards. Unless many, many more are discovered.

It's very much less, as the following illustrates......


6 known......
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5 known......
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4 known......
....................




Known cards............... 5 .................................................. ...................... 4 .................................................. .................. 4





Furthermore, similar population numbers exist for the 62 other subjects in this 1910 COUPON set.

Therefore, darwinbulldog, you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss Dean Hackett's suggestion (in Post #35) regarding these T213-1 cards.
There are less of these known than the 13 (or 14) examples of the Ty Cobb card with the Ty Cobb Smoking Tobacco back on your list.


TED Z
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[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by tedzan

"50" is not the population number of 1910 COUPON (T213-1) cards. Unless many, many more are discovered.

It's very much less, as the following illustrates......


6 known......
....................



5 known......
....................



4 known......
....................




Known cards............... 5 .................................................. ...................... 4 .................................................. .................. 4





Furthermore, similar population numbers exist for the 62 other subjects in this 1910 COUPON set.

Therefore, darwinbulldog, you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss Dean Hackett's suggestion (in Post #35) regarding these T213-1 cards.
There are less of these known than the 13 (or 14) examples of the Ty Cobb card with the Ty Cobb Smoking Tobacco back on your list.


TED Z
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By my estimation, 68 times 4 is more than 13. Even more than 50 probably.

[tiger8mush]

how about E121 with Gertenrich back ... I think there are right around 50 known (of which Rhys seems to own a good portion of!!! )

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

how about E121 with Gertenrich back ... I think there are right around 50 known (of which Rhys seems to own a good portion of!!! )

Gertenrich is probably a good addition, and a good-looking one to boot.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Gertenrich is probably a good addition, and a good-looking one to boot.

Maybe you missed my suggestion earlier, but I would think the t205 Hindu should be on the list.

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

how about E121 with Gertenrich back ... I think there are right around 50 known (of which Rhys seems to own a good portion of!!! )

I have the Elmer Miller from this group of cards, wonder if between all of us on the board, we could make a complete set?

[mrvster]

T206 Blank Back are amongst the rarest......there are only single confirmed examples or "twins" at the most in T206(mostly southern league)......and, only 1/4 of the players approx. have been confirmed!

I love that they have flown under the radar for so many years.....they aren't even "issued cards"

I hate pointing this out, cause it ultimately makes what I'm chasing almost impossible to get, happened with scrap to me....and bb's are scrap also...

[ZachS]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

how about E121 with Gertenrich back ... I think there are right around 50 known (of which Rhys seems to own a good portion of!!! )

Don't all known copies have the same paper loss on the back?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ZachS

Don't all known copies have the same paper loss on the back?

not all but the vast majority..(this is one has Walker on the front and is an SGC 40 holder)

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

how about E121 with Gertenrich back ... I think there are right around 50 known (of which Rhys seems to own a good portion of!!! )

You called me Rhys... I am forever wounded!

I'm just kidding even my mother calls us the wrong name more often than not!

Of the 12-15 or so Lou Gertenrich cards only one is damage free on the back (Joe Sewell).

[ZachS]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Of the 12-15 or so Lou Gertenrich cards only one is damage free on the back (Joe Sewell).

So we can say that a Gertenrich without back damage is an extremely rare back...

[ValKehl]

I may be wrong, but I think there are less than 50 E222 A.W.H Caramel cards known to exist.
Val

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

I may be wrong, but I think there are less than 50 E222 A.W.H Caramel cards known to exist.
Val

I don't think there's enough of an AWH vs. AWA discrepancy to qualify. That is, neither one of them is less than 1% of the E222 population.

[ValKehl]

I agree with your response re the E222s - I forgot about your "comprise less than 1% of the cataloged set's total population" stipulation.
Val

[rman444]

M131 is probably pretty close

[ValKehl]

How about these (see Leon's collection for examples)?
E135: Merchant's Bakery
W575-1: Queen City Cigar, Shotwell Mfg. Co., & Service Candy Co.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by rman444

M131 is probably pretty close

+1