rarest backs

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Even so, they're about 50 times too plentiful for what I'm trying to list.

"50" is not the population number of 1910 COUPON (T213-1) cards. Unless many, many more are discovered.

It's very much less, as the following illustrates......


6 known......
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5 known......
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4 known......
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Known cards............... 5 .................................................. ...................... 4 .................................................. .................. 4





Furthermore, similar population numbers exist for the 62 other subjects in this 1910 COUPON set.

Therefore, darwinbulldog, you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss Dean Hackett's suggestion (in Post #35) regarding these T213-1 cards.
There are less of these known than the 13 (or 14) examples of the Ty Cobb card with the Ty Cobb Smoking Tobacco back on your list.


TED Z
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[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by tedzan

"50" is not the population number of 1910 COUPON (T213-1) cards. Unless many, many more are discovered.

It's very much less, as the following illustrates......


6 known......
....................



5 known......
....................



4 known......
....................




Known cards............... 5 .................................................. ...................... 4 .................................................. .................. 4





Furthermore, similar population numbers exist for the 62 other subjects in this 1910 COUPON set.

Therefore, darwinbulldog, you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss Dean Hackett's suggestion (in Post #35) regarding these T213-1 cards.
There are less of these known than the 13 (or 14) examples of the Ty Cobb card with the Ty Cobb Smoking Tobacco back on your list.


TED Z
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By my estimation, 68 times 4 is more than 13. Even more than 50 probably.

[tiger8mush]

how about E121 with Gertenrich back ... I think there are right around 50 known (of which Rhys seems to own a good portion of!!! )

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

how about E121 with Gertenrich back ... I think there are right around 50 known (of which Rhys seems to own a good portion of!!! )

Gertenrich is probably a good addition, and a good-looking one to boot.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Gertenrich is probably a good addition, and a good-looking one to boot.

Maybe you missed my suggestion earlier, but I would think the t205 Hindu should be on the list.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Maybe you missed my suggestion earlier, but I would think the t205 Hindu should be on the list.

I did see that earlier. Thank you. I will add that to the list.

So we have T205, 206, and 207 represented. TTT isn't rare enough to add T204, and T208 is too rare altogether, so I think this is the longest run of consecutive ACC designations we'll have, barring some other weird W stamp sets I don't know of.

Anyone other than Leon have most of these?

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

how about E121 with Gertenrich back ... I think there are right around 50 known (of which Rhys seems to own a good portion of!!! )

I have the Elmer Miller from this group of cards, wonder if between all of us on the board, we could make a complete set?

[mrvster]

T206 Blank Back are amongst the rarest......there are only single confirmed examples or "twins" at the most in T206(mostly southern league)......and, only 1/4 of the players approx. have been confirmed!

I love that they have flown under the radar for so many years.....they aren't even "issued cards"

I hate pointing this out, cause it ultimately makes what I'm chasing almost impossible to get, happened with scrap to me....and bb's are scrap also...

[mrvster]

btw....all your input on rarities are great! I feel bad for the other issues and super rarity, they are not just as widely collected as T206, but they do deserve the respect great input

[darwinbulldog]

Here's the updated list, but I'm still seeking input if you have any other additions or deletions to suggest.

E92 Croft’s (red)
E98 Old Put
E121 Kings, Gertenrich
E135 Merchants (soon to be disqualified?)
M101-4/5 Everybody's, Haserot's, Holmes to Homes, Mall Theater
R316 Douglas Park, Morton, Rialto
T205 Hindu, Drum
T206 Old Mill (brown), Lenox (brown)
T207 Red Cross
T213-3 Overprint
T216 Virginia Extra
W461(?) Playland
W514 Hendler's, Barker
W515 Fleer, Jersey
W551 Wool's
W554 Lucky Yo-Yo, Lucky Deal, Bonemery
W573/E120 Cafe du Monde, Cream Nut, Kings, Leader Theatre
W575-1 Johnson, Haffner's, Clark's, Gassler's, Leader Theatre, Queen City, Shotwell, Service Candy

Additionally, D355 qualifies as an E101 back if you think Burdick was wrong to classify it as a distinct set. Likewise, "Ty Cobb" qualifies if you think Burdick was right to classify it as a T206. (Personally I disagree with both decisions, but that's just, like, my opinion, man.)

Thank you for all the helpful suggestions and somewhat less for the antagonistic ones. For now I am including both stamped and printed backs, provided that the stamp is an ad (so owners’ stamps for personal collections don’t count). All of those that have been suggested but do not appear above do not qualify either because the back is blank, the front is too rare (e.g., D303), there is not an ACC cataloged set (e.g., Exhibit postcard back), or the back is too common (e.g., T213-1) to qualify. Others have already made this point for me, but if you think I’ve incorrectly omitted your set it may be that you're having trouble with the concept of 1% or the concept of the number 50 or the concept of the conjunction “and” or that I have a vendetta against you. Feel free to believe whichever one or combination of these is most comforting.

[ZachS]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

how about E121 with Gertenrich back ... I think there are right around 50 known (of which Rhys seems to own a good portion of!!! )

Don't all known copies have the same paper loss on the back?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ZachS

Don't all known copies have the same paper loss on the back?

not all but the vast majority..(this is one has Walker on the front and is an SGC 40 holder)

[ZachS]

Originally Posted by Leon

not all but the vast majority..(this is one has Walker on the front and is an SGC 40 holder)

Ah... I just remember seeing a bunch posted somewhere (here probably) and they all seemed to have the same back damage like they all came from a scrapbook.

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

how about E121 with Gertenrich back ... I think there are right around 50 known (of which Rhys seems to own a good portion of!!! )

You called me Rhys... I am forever wounded!

I'm just kidding even my mother calls us the wrong name more often than not!

Of the 12-15 or so Lou Gertenrich cards only one is damage free on the back (Joe Sewell).

[ZachS]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Of the 12-15 or so Lou Gertenrich cards only one is damage free on the back (Joe Sewell).

So we can say that a Gertenrich without back damage is an extremely rare back...