Problems with two championship rings in upcoming Heritage Auction

[bobfreedman]

Michael, your dead wrong - again, re-read my initial thread where I say you did a great job. My only point in all of this is that you were too impatient and you wanted HA to move at your speed and when they did not you acted like a spoiled kid and kicked and screamed. In fact, when no one replied to your initial thread, you posted again asking if anyone cares?

I am not sure what your comment about software has anything to with this thread but if you want to jab at it go ahead.

And there ARE two sides to every argument. HA did what they were supposed to do and that is to proceed at a pace that they deemed proper and not yours nor anyone else's. You say I don't have the guts to agree with you because of my lack of objectivity is another rat hole that you want people to chase. I never said I agreed with HA all I said is that you should be patient and stop crying that the sky is falling because HA did not act in a timely manner that you deemed proper. You were impatient who screamed louder when you did not get your way.

[sports-rings]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

My only point in all of this is that you were too impatient and you wanted HA to move at your speed and when they did not you acted like a spoiled kid and kicked and screamed. In fact, when no one replied to your initial thread, you posted again asking if anyone cares?

And there ARE two sides to every argument. HA did what they were supposed to do and that is to proceed at a pace that they deemed proper and not yours nor anyone else's..... I never said I agreed with HA all I said is that you should be patient and stop crying that the sky is falling because HA did not act in a timely manner that you deemed proper. You were impatient who screamed louder when you did not get your way.

Bob - when do you think it's acceptable to alert the collecting community? A day before the auction goes live?

Or an hour before?

How about moments after the auction?

or a day or week after the auction?

which is it?

You would have a much stronger argument, and I would agree with you if I called out an auction that had a piece that was challenging to authenticate.

Bob, how hard was this piece to verify? This is the equivalent of a Babe Ruth autograph being auctioned that did not look anything like a Babe Ruth signature.

So I can be a better participator in the collecting community, please answer my question about proper timing - this is the second time I have posted this question to you.

[bobfreedman]

Michael, you and I both know that there is no set time. It is not like you are dealing with Coaches Corner here. Chris said he was on it and that should have been good enough for you. If he had ignored you or told you to leave him alone, then tell the world but he didn't and IMO, you should have been satisfied with that but, I guess you wanted the accolades that go along with outing them so you waited a week(not sure about the time here ?) and posted about it not once but twice and your second post was a whole 11 hours later.

[sports-rings]

If I wanted accolades than why even attempt to deal with Chris and Heritage privately?

If I wanted accolades, why should I admit that there are others out there who know more than I do.

Bob, you're great at telling me what I did wrong - not for a third time, I'm asking: when is it appropriate to bring a bad auction to net54?

[bobfreedman]

Originally Posted by sports-rings

If I wanted accolades than why even attempt to deal with Chris and Heritage privately?

If I wanted accolades, why should I admit that there are others out there who know more than I do.

Bob, you're great at telling me what I did wrong - not for a third time, I'm asking: when is it appropriate to bring a bad auction to net54?

Just re-read my last post, I am not re-hashing it again

[William Farrell]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

It is not like you are dealing with Coaches Corner here. Chris said he was on it and that should have been good enough for you.

Whether a faux item is being sold by the Prince of Thieves of ill repute or a major auction house of good reputation, and whether this faux item is being represented as authentic deliberately, or through incompetence, the end-result is the same if the faux item is not removed from sale. The buyer of the faux item has been defrauded.

The more research put into an auction piece, the more the hobby's consumers will benefit from it.

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by sports-rings

Bob - when do you think it's acceptable to alert the collecting community? A day before the auction goes live?

Or an hour before?

How about moments after the auction?

or a day or week after the auction?

which is it?

You would have a much stronger argument, and I would agree with you if I called out an auction that had a piece that was challenging to authenticate.

Bob, how hard was this piece to verify? This is the equivalent of a Babe Ruth autograph being auctioned that did not look anything like a Babe Ruth signature.

So I can be a better participator in the collecting community, please answer my question about proper timing - this is the second time I have posted this question to you.

Michael,
I agree with Chris and Bob. Their timeframe for action was reasonable, but did not meet your desire for immediacy. If they had ignored you or told you to pound sand, the course you took would be more than appropriate. You were being a pain in the ass. Look at the situation objectively and 'Own it'. Many of us have been in your place many times. I have learned that being in a righteous position does not always lead me to my best behavior.

[sports-rings]

Originally Posted by Deertick

Michael,
I agree with Chris and Bob. Their timeframe for action was reasonable, but did not meet your desire for immediacy. If they had ignored you or told you to pound sand, the course you took would be more than appropriate. You were being a pain in the ass. Look at the situation objectively and 'Own it'. Many of us have been in your place many times. I have learned that being in a righteous position does not always lead me to my best behavior.

Bob won't answer the question but perhaps you will:

when is a good time to alert the community? a day or two before the live auction? a day? an hour? or a week after?

[William Farrell]

Originally Posted by sports-rings

Bob won't answer the question but perhaps you will:

when is a good time to alert the community? a day or two before the live auction? a day? an hour? or a week after?

IMO, you did just fine. A selfless gesture to save some poor schnook from taking a long ride off of a short pier.

[JMEnglish27]

Originally Posted by William Farrell

IMO, you did just fine. A selfless gesture to save some poor schnook from taking a long ride off of a short pier.

This.