Problems with two championship rings in upcoming Heritage Auction

[sports-rings]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

So what it all boiled down to Michael, is that you didn't like the way HA went about their own business and how they decided to do their jobs? They did not do things fast enough for you is what all boils down to.

Bob, everyone on here has been quite supportive except you. The more I think about your reply above the more I boil.

Bob, when you proclaimed above what it boils down to, you got it wrong.

Here's what your response boils down to: No software product is perfect. Even your software has its issues.

My feeling is you are siding with the auction house view solely because you don't have the guts or objectivity to look at this matter from the collector's point of view.

Which is it?

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by sports-rings

Bob, everyone on here has been quite supportive except you. The more I think about your reply above the more I boil.

Bob, when you proclaimed above what it boils down to, you got it wrong.

Here's what your response boils down to: No software product is perfect. Even your software has its issues.

My feeling is you are siding with the auction house view solely because you don't have the guts or objectivity to look at this matter from the collector's point of view.

Which is it?

Michael -
Don't let the bad guys get you down. Shelley, Chris and myself have fought through so much bullshit from guys who are obviously bad guys. Trying to nail the Florida ring has caused us nothing but grief so far but we are still hoping our efforts will be worthwhile.

[sports-rings]

Thanks Richard,

and glad to hear that you are feeling better!

[shelly]

Bob, they did a piss poor job. This could have been done in a few days not weeks.
There is no two sides to this arguement.

[bobfreedman]

Michael, your dead wrong - again, re-read my initial thread where I say you did a great job. My only point in all of this is that you were too impatient and you wanted HA to move at your speed and when they did not you acted like a spoiled kid and kicked and screamed. In fact, when no one replied to your initial thread, you posted again asking if anyone cares?

I am not sure what your comment about software has anything to with this thread but if you want to jab at it go ahead.

And there ARE two sides to every argument. HA did what they were supposed to do and that is to proceed at a pace that they deemed proper and not yours nor anyone else's. You say I don't have the guts to agree with you because of my lack of objectivity is another rat hole that you want people to chase. I never said I agreed with HA all I said is that you should be patient and stop crying that the sky is falling because HA did not act in a timely manner that you deemed proper. You were impatient who screamed louder when you did not get your way.

[sports-rings]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

My only point in all of this is that you were too impatient and you wanted HA to move at your speed and when they did not you acted like a spoiled kid and kicked and screamed. In fact, when no one replied to your initial thread, you posted again asking if anyone cares?

And there ARE two sides to every argument. HA did what they were supposed to do and that is to proceed at a pace that they deemed proper and not yours nor anyone else's..... I never said I agreed with HA all I said is that you should be patient and stop crying that the sky is falling because HA did not act in a timely manner that you deemed proper. You were impatient who screamed louder when you did not get your way.

Bob - when do you think it's acceptable to alert the collecting community? A day before the auction goes live?

Or an hour before?

How about moments after the auction?

or a day or week after the auction?

which is it?

You would have a much stronger argument, and I would agree with you if I called out an auction that had a piece that was challenging to authenticate.

Bob, how hard was this piece to verify? This is the equivalent of a Babe Ruth autograph being auctioned that did not look anything like a Babe Ruth signature.

So I can be a better participator in the collecting community, please answer my question about proper timing - this is the second time I have posted this question to you.

[bobfreedman]

Michael, you and I both know that there is no set time. It is not like you are dealing with Coaches Corner here. Chris said he was on it and that should have been good enough for you. If he had ignored you or told you to leave him alone, then tell the world but he didn't and IMO, you should have been satisfied with that but, I guess you wanted the accolades that go along with outing them so you waited a week(not sure about the time here ?) and posted about it not once but twice and your second post was a whole 11 hours later.

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by sports-rings

Bob - when do you think it's acceptable to alert the collecting community? A day before the auction goes live?

Or an hour before?

How about moments after the auction?

or a day or week after the auction?

which is it?

You would have a much stronger argument, and I would agree with you if I called out an auction that had a piece that was challenging to authenticate.

Bob, how hard was this piece to verify? This is the equivalent of a Babe Ruth autograph being auctioned that did not look anything like a Babe Ruth signature.

So I can be a better participator in the collecting community, please answer my question about proper timing - this is the second time I have posted this question to you.

Michael,
I agree with Chris and Bob. Their timeframe for action was reasonable, but did not meet your desire for immediacy. If they had ignored you or told you to pound sand, the course you took would be more than appropriate. You were being a pain in the ass. Look at the situation objectively and 'Own it'. Many of us have been in your place many times. I have learned that being in a righteous position does not always lead me to my best behavior.