EXPOSING Net54 member BUBBLEBATHGIRL

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

That's a fair opinion, but I don't believe it is right to torpedo someone's sale because that person isn't well liked. This thread is clearly in response his his sealed case in the B/S/T. The only pertinent information would be evidence that a buyer would not securely recieve what they are expecting, in which case there isn't a lot of evidence to prove that. I don't disagree with your assessment of Paul, I don't like him personally either, but my opinion of him personally does not revoke his right to make a sale unless I have reason to think a buyer would get ripped off.

This thread is just showing his shenanigans. Some people knock on the price but people always do that when things are absurdly priced. I do not believe anyone is saying outright "do not buy from him" - I think the message is more look what his history contains - do you still want to deal with him?

[1880nonsports]

wouldn't be the first time - but I don't think this thread is appropriate - certainly as it's titled. While the seller might be expected to understand that people might utilize the wrappers WITH gum to some nefarious end - that's perhaps an issue of morals - there's really nothing wrong with selling them. Would it be OK to sell a single wrapper and single stick of gum? I collect some things that I want ALL of the original components in as original of a condition I can find them in as a compliment to my cards. I probably wouldn't want the "X" on one of the elements. There have been threads about flips and cases here as well that raise the same issues - it's about one's freedom to sell allowable items in a free marketplace. If it's that BBG is trying to sell an unopened case for too much money on the BST- it sounds as if you have an axe to grind - as that's really none of your business either. I'm probably gonna be sorry I posted this - but like much of my actions - I really can't help myself

It's impossible to make something foolproof
as fools are so inventive..............

[T205 GB]

I am just curious as to why its not ok to mark up old 30's-60's wax but ok to deface those? I just am not finding merit in this thread to slam someone based on really nothing. I get the whole "some fraudster may reseal them" but the seller is not offering them up for that and we can't hang the guy because no wrong has been done. Seems like he is trying to recoup some money from the box he busted. Just my $.02

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

I am just curious as to why its not ok to mark up old 30's-60's wax but ok to deface those? I just am not finding merit in this thread to slam someone based on really nothing. I get the whole "some fraudster may reseal them" but the seller is not offering them up for that and we can't hang the guy because no wrong has been done. Seems like he is trying to recoup some money from the box he busted. Just my $.02

How could anyone, unless you live in a fantasy world, deny that he is selling these things for the EXPRESS PURPOSE of scammers using them to rip people off????!!!!!! Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

I get the whole "some fraudster may reseal them" but the seller is not offering them up for that and we can't hang the guy because no wrong has been done. Seems like he is trying to recoup some money from the box he busted. Just my $.02

I disagree. It would be like me taking out an ad in the paper that says. "For Sale: Meth Ingredients." To sell the ingredients individually (or even together) is not illegal - kind of like the wrappers, gum and box. But what’s done with them is illegal. To sell wax wrappers, gum and an empty box knowing what somebody is more than likely to do with them is immoral, just like selling meth ingredients knowing what somebody is going to do with them. What if it were your kid that cooked the meth and OD? Would your opinion change? Would you still say it's my right to sell the ingredients and put the onus on your kid, or do you think I should share in the responsibility for selling your kid the ingredients in the first place?

Maybe it’s a bad analogy, but I think you get the point which is sometimes the seller has to assume some of the responsibility when they have a pretty good idea that what they’re selling is not going to be used for a purpose that is good.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I disagree. It would be like me taking out an ad in the paper that says. "For Sale: Meth Ingredients." To sell the ingredients individually (or even together) is not illegal - kind of like the wrappers, gum and box. But what’s done with them is illegal. To sell wax wrappers, gum and an empty box knowing what somebody is more than likely to do with them is immoral, just like selling meth ingredients knowing what somebody is going to do with them. What if it were your kid that cooked the meth and OD? Would your opinion change? Would you still say it's my right to sell the ingredients and put the onus on your kid, or do you think I should share in the responsibility for selling your kid the ingredients in the first place?

Maybe it’s a bad analogy, but I think you get the point which is sometimes the seller has to assume some of the responsibility when they have a pretty good idea that what they’re selling is not going to be used for a purpose that is good.

By that logic every pharmacy in the country should be shut down.

Here in Mass there are arrests every year of people buying cold medecine legitimately but going over the state determined limit of 2 packages a month. Big family, cold lasts a couple weeks among 6 people. plus maybe buying a pack for a relative. All the pharmacies are linked now and call the police for an attempt to buy package 3 in a 30 day period. Somehow there's still plenty of supply for whoever is making the stuff.

Steve B

[timn1]

+1 to Steve B.'s comment. The analogy was bad from the beginning, and throwing hypothetical kids into the mix ("what if YOUR kid...?") was especially OTT.

Originally Posted by steve B

By that logic every pharmacy in the country should be shut down.

Here in Mass there are arrests every year of people buying cold medecine legitimately but going over the state determined limit of 2 packages a month. Big family, cold lasts a couple weeks among 6 people. plus maybe buying a pack for a relative. All the pharmacies are linked now and call the police for an attempt to buy package 3 in a 30 day period. Somehow there's still plenty of supply for whoever is making the stuff.

Steve B

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

Seems like he is trying to recoup some money from the box he busted. Just my $.02

Andrew, I could agree with you but...

BBG went from selling the wrappers for approx. $.25 to selling wrappers/gum/box. Let's get crazy and say the box is worth $50 (it's not), and he now believes the wrappers are worth $2. That means he now values 35 year old gum at over $2 a piece.

I'm sorry, he knew who his target market was and he had no problem selling his reputation along as part of the package.

[D.P.Johnson]

Just thinking about some guy who's named himself BubbleBathGirl sitting around meticulously opening up packs of 1978 baseball cards gives me the creeps (in a "Silence of the Lambs" kinda way...)...The whole situation is freakishly wrong on many different levels...

[cammb]

You mean to tell me that some moron offered to buy that case for $20 thousand?

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by cammb

You mean to tell me that some moron offered to buy that case for $20 thousand?

Remember they call that the P.T. Barnum Syndrome.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by cammb

You mean to tell me that some moron offered to buy that case for $20 thousand?

I doubt it.

[baez578]

Originally Posted by cammb

You mean to tell me that some moron offered to buy that case for $20 thousand?

There was a confirmed post on a 20k offer believe it or not but it could've been an alt for all I know.

[TNP777]

Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

Just thinking about some guy who's named himself BubbleBathGirl sitting around meticulously opening up packs of 1978 baseball cards gives me the creeps (in a "Silence of the Lambs" kinda way...)...The whole situation is freakishly wrong on many different levels...

let's not forget the blue latex gloves he wears when opening said packs.

+500 creepiness factor hit points.

[Taxman]

Just a thought that could have happened....what if BBG sold the packs as a front to make it appear someone else bought them when in reality a created alt bought them with other intentions?

[D.P.Johnson]

Originally Posted by TNP777

let's not forget the blue latex gloves he wears when opening said packs.

+500 creepiness factor hit points.

And, I imagine anytime a potential PSA 10 is ripped, a 4 minute Buffalo Bill "tuck" dance ensues...

[Eric72]

I can understand both sides of the discussion regarding the wrappers, so I really don't want to go there.

However...

Can someone...anyone...tell me what purpose 35 year old gum would have? Other than adding a false element of realism to a resealed pack, of course.

In my opinion, selling the wrappers and the gum is along the same lines as selling cracked open PSA slabs, along with their paper flips.

In either scenario, the buyer will almost certainly put something inside, seal it back up, and try to pass it off as the genuine article.

In this particular case, the seller is making things breathtakingly easy for fraudsters. Making a transaction that is extremely likely to increase the amount of fraud within the hobby is an absolutely shameless act.

Best Regards,

Eric

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Eric72

I can understand both sides of the discussion regarding the wrappers, so I really don't want to go there.

However...

Can someone...anyone...tell me what purpose 35 year old gum would have? Other than adding a false element of realism to a resealed pack, of course.

In my opinion, selling the wrappers and the gum is along the same lines as selling cracked open PSA slabs, along with their paper flips.

In either scenario, the buyer will almost certainly put something inside, seal it back up, and try to pass it off as the genuine article.

In this particular case, the seller is making things breathtakingly easy for fraudsters. Making a transaction that is extremely likely to increase the amount of fraud within the hobby is an absolutely shameless act.

Best Regards,

Eric

Bush doctrine as applied to baseball cards.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

So someone starts a thread entitled, EXPOSING Net54 member BUBBLEBATHGIRL and it ends up being about baseball cards? Bummer.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Bush doctrine as applied to baseball cards.

Weapons of mass gum and wrapper destruction?

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Bush doctrine as applied to baseball cards.

Peter,

It appears as though you may disagree with my assessment. With all due respect, I ask the following:

Which part(s) of my post do you take exception to, and why?

I look forward to your reply.

Best Regards,

Eric

[brob28]

Originally Posted by Eric72

I can understand both sides of the discussion regarding the wrappers, so I really don't want to go there.

However...

Can someone...anyone...tell me what purpose 35 year old gum would have? Other than adding a false element of realism to a resealed pack, of course.

In my opinion, selling the wrappers and the gum is along the same lines as selling cracked open PSA slabs, along with their paper flips.

In either scenario, the buyer will almost certainly put something inside, seal it back up, and try to pass it off as the genuine article.

In this particular case, the seller is making things breathtakingly easy for fraudsters. Making a transaction that is extremely likely to increase the amount of fraud within the hobby is an absolutely shameless act.

Best Regards,

Eric

Can't be said any better Eric, you hit the nail on the head. Thank you OP, you've identified another person I will avoid.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Can someone...anyone...tell me what purpose 35 year old gum would have? Other than adding a false element of realism to a resealed pack, of course.

I have a piece of gum from 1971 OPC that I bought along with a wrapper sometime between 1978 and 83. I thought it was sort of cool that it had survived. Not as an unopened pack, but as a wrapper and gum. It's also really different than the Topps gum -Different size, and with lines scored across it so it could be broken into dentyne sized chunks.

Topps also had some different flavored gum in hockey cards in the mid 70's. I remember it from buying the packs and being surprised to see yellow gum. I think it was bananna flavored. If I found an opened pack that had it, I'd buy it just for the curiosity.

I don't really get the idea of marking the wrappers. Would it be acceptable to mark ANY other bit of memorabilia? Look in the Autograph section and see how little they like the stickers used by the authenticators. Or look at how disliked any form of grading/slabbing is by some here. And that doesn't even mark the cards. I have a small collection of wrappers, and I'd be looking for replacements for marked ones. Same goes for the empty display boxes.
A whole stack of old gum though.....Not sure I'd want that.

Steve B

[baez578]

Originally Posted by 1880nonsports

wouldn't be the first time - but I don't think this thread is appropriate - certainly as it's titled. While the seller might be expected to understand that people might utilize the wrappers WITH gum to some nefarious end - that's perhaps an issue of morals - there's really nothing wrong with selling them. Would it be OK to sell a single wrapper and single stick of gum? I collect some things that I want ALL of the original components in as original of a condition I can find them in as a compliment to my cards. I probably wouldn't want the "X" on one of the elements. There have been threads about flips and cases here as well that raise the same issues - it's about one's freedom to sell allowable items in a free marketplace. If it's that BBG is trying to sell an unopened case for too much money on the BST- it sounds as if you have an axe to grind - as that's really none of your business either. I'm probably gonna be sorry I posted this - but like much of my actions - I really can't help myself

It's impossible to make something foolproof
as fools are so inventive..............

First off...
You shouldn't be sorry for posting...that's why we are all here. We may not agree but that's the beauty of the forum in the hands of the right people.

The point of my thread is to inform everyone of his questionable history so that you can make decisions based on this info.

Let's just say I was selling a card with an offer price of $10,000. You like the card and offer me full asking price of $10,000. Once I notice you're interested in it, I raise the offer price to $14,000. How would you feel? Then, when you ask me why, I completely ignore you. Again, how do you feel?

My point here isn't the case of 79 BB specifically, it's his lack of respect for other members, complaining to mods to get rid of good members, writing hypocritical posts that only benefit him regarding value on unopened material, ignoring relevant questions, etc.

If he finds a buyer, then go for it. But at least the buyer would've known all of this info and made his decision having been well informed.

Regarding the gum, I'm hard-pressed to think of any reason why someone would want to buy old gum in the original box with the wrappers if it wasn't for the wrong reasons. Lets be realistic, who collects gum?

With all that said, if he was at least willing to answer the question with your hypothetical answer (for example), I would be willing to accept it and I'm sure some others as well. But the fact that he ignores it continues to be, IMO, the biggest problem.