EXPOSING Net54 member BUBBLEBATHGIRL

[T205 GB]

I am just curious as to why its not ok to mark up old 30's-60's wax but ok to deface those? I just am not finding merit in this thread to slam someone based on really nothing. I get the whole "some fraudster may reseal them" but the seller is not offering them up for that and we can't hang the guy because no wrong has been done. Seems like he is trying to recoup some money from the box he busted. Just my $.02

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

I am just curious as to why its not ok to mark up old 30's-60's wax but ok to deface those? I just am not finding merit in this thread to slam someone based on really nothing. I get the whole "some fraudster may reseal them" but the seller is not offering them up for that and we can't hang the guy because no wrong has been done. Seems like he is trying to recoup some money from the box he busted. Just my $.02

How could anyone, unless you live in a fantasy world, deny that he is selling these things for the EXPRESS PURPOSE of scammers using them to rip people off????!!!!!! Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

I get the whole "some fraudster may reseal them" but the seller is not offering them up for that and we can't hang the guy because no wrong has been done. Seems like he is trying to recoup some money from the box he busted. Just my $.02

I disagree. It would be like me taking out an ad in the paper that says. "For Sale: Meth Ingredients." To sell the ingredients individually (or even together) is not illegal - kind of like the wrappers, gum and box. But what’s done with them is illegal. To sell wax wrappers, gum and an empty box knowing what somebody is more than likely to do with them is immoral, just like selling meth ingredients knowing what somebody is going to do with them. What if it were your kid that cooked the meth and OD? Would your opinion change? Would you still say it's my right to sell the ingredients and put the onus on your kid, or do you think I should share in the responsibility for selling your kid the ingredients in the first place?

Maybe it’s a bad analogy, but I think you get the point which is sometimes the seller has to assume some of the responsibility when they have a pretty good idea that what they’re selling is not going to be used for a purpose that is good.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I disagree. It would be like me taking out an ad in the paper that says. "For Sale: Meth Ingredients." To sell the ingredients individually (or even together) is not illegal - kind of like the wrappers, gum and box. But what’s done with them is illegal. To sell wax wrappers, gum and an empty box knowing what somebody is more than likely to do with them is immoral, just like selling meth ingredients knowing what somebody is going to do with them. What if it were your kid that cooked the meth and OD? Would your opinion change? Would you still say it's my right to sell the ingredients and put the onus on your kid, or do you think I should share in the responsibility for selling your kid the ingredients in the first place?

Maybe it’s a bad analogy, but I think you get the point which is sometimes the seller has to assume some of the responsibility when they have a pretty good idea that what they’re selling is not going to be used for a purpose that is good.

By that logic every pharmacy in the country should be shut down.

Here in Mass there are arrests every year of people buying cold medecine legitimately but going over the state determined limit of 2 packages a month. Big family, cold lasts a couple weeks among 6 people. plus maybe buying a pack for a relative. All the pharmacies are linked now and call the police for an attempt to buy package 3 in a 30 day period. Somehow there's still plenty of supply for whoever is making the stuff.

Steve B

[timn1]

+1 to Steve B.'s comment. The analogy was bad from the beginning, and throwing hypothetical kids into the mix ("what if YOUR kid...?") was especially OTT.

Originally Posted by steve B

By that logic every pharmacy in the country should be shut down.

Here in Mass there are arrests every year of people buying cold medecine legitimately but going over the state determined limit of 2 packages a month. Big family, cold lasts a couple weeks among 6 people. plus maybe buying a pack for a relative. All the pharmacies are linked now and call the police for an attempt to buy package 3 in a 30 day period. Somehow there's still plenty of supply for whoever is making the stuff.

Steve B

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

Seems like he is trying to recoup some money from the box he busted. Just my $.02

Andrew, I could agree with you but...

BBG went from selling the wrappers for approx. $.25 to selling wrappers/gum/box. Let's get crazy and say the box is worth $50 (it's not), and he now believes the wrappers are worth $2. That means he now values 35 year old gum at over $2 a piece.

I'm sorry, he knew who his target market was and he had no problem selling his reputation along as part of the package.

[D.P.Johnson]

Just thinking about some guy who's named himself BubbleBathGirl sitting around meticulously opening up packs of 1978 baseball cards gives me the creeps (in a "Silence of the Lambs" kinda way...)...The whole situation is freakishly wrong on many different levels...

[cammb]

You mean to tell me that some moron offered to buy that case for $20 thousand?

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by cammb

You mean to tell me that some moron offered to buy that case for $20 thousand?

Remember they call that the P.T. Barnum Syndrome.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by cammb

You mean to tell me that some moron offered to buy that case for $20 thousand?

I doubt it.

[baez578]

Originally Posted by cammb

You mean to tell me that some moron offered to buy that case for $20 thousand?

There was a confirmed post on a 20k offer believe it or not but it could've been an alt for all I know.

[Cardboard Junkie]

Just to play the devils advocate, and in all fairness, gum can be collectible.http://blog.justcollect.com/baseball...eball-wrapper/

[thehoodedcoder]

ok. so to sum up

bubblebathgirl is really a boy, but the picture was great.

the price is ridiculous and you demand answers to the duality slash two facedness of this person and his offereings which he is not responding to. this is where things started tumbling out of control?

the price is to high for a potential scammer because they are asking 25k, ultimately removing all profit from resealing the cards and trying to get tons of money from it with low cost to purchase the wrappers. higher costs mean less profits.

someone posted things that made someone else angry then they got banned because the "someone else" lost control of their own emotions....and the person who lost control of their emotions blames the fact that they lost control of their emotions and got banned on a person "pushing" them over the edge. this edge was caused by not getting answers to a question you feel he needs to answer? meaning...the duality of how he said something was over priced he was trying to buy it and how he jacked it up when he was trying to sell it? did i get that correct?

you don't see ANY pontential for collectibility in the wrapper and gum and subsequently want the person to permanantly mark and destroy the originality of the item so that they can serve some higher moral needs? these needs are not his, they are yours. some how this was agreed upon by everyone other than the person who owns the items and everyone is mad that he won't do it?


im find it hard to agree with the arguments here.

kevin

[Cardboard Junkie]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

Just to play the devils advocate, and in all fairness, gum can be collectible.http://blog.justcollect.com/baseball...eball-wrapper/

Collectibility is in the eye of the collector. Dave

[TNP777]

Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

Just thinking about some guy who's named himself BubbleBathGirl sitting around meticulously opening up packs of 1978 baseball cards gives me the creeps (in a "Silence of the Lambs" kinda way...)...The whole situation is freakishly wrong on many different levels...

let's not forget the blue latex gloves he wears when opening said packs.

+500 creepiness factor hit points.

[Taxman]

Just a thought that could have happened....what if BBG sold the packs as a front to make it appear someone else bought them when in reality a created alt bought them with other intentions?

[Sean1125]

I heard somewhere he also sold a resealing agent can anyone verify this?

[D.P.Johnson]

Originally Posted by TNP777

let's not forget the blue latex gloves he wears when opening said packs.

+500 creepiness factor hit points.

And, I imagine anytime a potential PSA 10 is ripped, a 4 minute Buffalo Bill "tuck" dance ensues...

[RCMcKenzie]

[QUOTE= a 4 minute Buffalo Bill "tuck" dance ensues...[/QUOTE]

For a minute or 2, I thought you were talking about Marv Levy's Bills. These CU threads are always difficult for me to follow.

[Eric72]

I can understand both sides of the discussion regarding the wrappers, so I really don't want to go there.

However...

Can someone...anyone...tell me what purpose 35 year old gum would have? Other than adding a false element of realism to a resealed pack, of course.

In my opinion, selling the wrappers and the gum is along the same lines as selling cracked open PSA slabs, along with their paper flips.

In either scenario, the buyer will almost certainly put something inside, seal it back up, and try to pass it off as the genuine article.

In this particular case, the seller is making things breathtakingly easy for fraudsters. Making a transaction that is extremely likely to increase the amount of fraud within the hobby is an absolutely shameless act.

Best Regards,

Eric

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Eric72

I can understand both sides of the discussion regarding the wrappers, so I really don't want to go there.

However...

Can someone...anyone...tell me what purpose 35 year old gum would have? Other than adding a false element of realism to a resealed pack, of course.

In my opinion, selling the wrappers and the gum is along the same lines as selling cracked open PSA slabs, along with their paper flips.

In either scenario, the buyer will almost certainly put something inside, seal it back up, and try to pass it off as the genuine article.

In this particular case, the seller is making things breathtakingly easy for fraudsters. Making a transaction that is extremely likely to increase the amount of fraud within the hobby is an absolutely shameless act.

Best Regards,

Eric

Bush doctrine as applied to baseball cards.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

So someone starts a thread entitled, EXPOSING Net54 member BUBBLEBATHGIRL and it ends up being about baseball cards? Bummer.

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby

So someone starts a thread entitled, EXPOSING Net54 member BUBBLEBATHGIRL and it ends up being about baseball cards? Bummer.

Here ya go!

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Thanks!

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby

So someone starts a thread entitled, EXPOSING Net54 member BUBBLEBATHGIRL and it ends up being about baseball cards? Bummer.

I did a search for some relevant photos but most of them would not pass the forum rules for posting. I hope this pic doesn't offend anyone and will satisfy the forum rules:

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Bush doctrine as applied to baseball cards.

Weapons of mass gum and wrapper destruction?

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

Just thinking about some guy who's named himself BubbleBathGirl sitting around meticulously opening up packs of 1978 baseball cards gives me the creeps (in a "Silence of the Lambs" kinda way...)...The whole situation is freakishly wrong on many different levels...

Dan, you mean, kinda like this....?

Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby

So someone starts a thread entitled, EXPOSING Net54 member BUBBLEBATHGIRL and it ends up being about baseball cards? Bummer.

Dan, I'm with you.

Originally Posted by Eric72

Can someone...anyone...tell me what purpose 35 year old gum would have? Other than adding a false element of realism to a resealed pack, of course.

I cannot think of a one, Eric.

[itslarry]

I guess I should start marking all my cards with sharpie so no one will try to use my cheap commons for something nefarious like rebacking.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Bush doctrine as applied to baseball cards.

Peter,

It appears as though you may disagree with my assessment. With all due respect, I ask the following:

Which part(s) of my post do you take exception to, and why?

I look forward to your reply.

Best Regards,

Eric

[Peter_Spaeth]

Huh? I was simply observing that your position that someone who facilitates a fraud is equally guilty as the fraudster is the baseball card equivalent of the Bush doctrine applied to terrorism. To wit: 1."Make no distinction between terrorists and the nations that harbor them--and hold both to account."

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Huh? I was simply observing that your position that someone who facilitates a fraud is equally guilty as the fraudster is the baseball card equivalent of the Bush doctrine applied to terrorism. To wit: 1."Make no distinction between terrorists and the nations that harbor them--and hold both to account."

Do you not agree that those who knowingly help the fraudster are also guilty? I happen to think that they are.

On the Internet, I set my sarcasm meter to zero. If this is the cause of the friction I sense, then please accept my sincerest apologies.

Best Regards,

Eric

[brob28]

Originally Posted by Eric72

I can understand both sides of the discussion regarding the wrappers, so I really don't want to go there.

However...

Can someone...anyone...tell me what purpose 35 year old gum would have? Other than adding a false element of realism to a resealed pack, of course.

In my opinion, selling the wrappers and the gum is along the same lines as selling cracked open PSA slabs, along with their paper flips.

In either scenario, the buyer will almost certainly put something inside, seal it back up, and try to pass it off as the genuine article.

In this particular case, the seller is making things breathtakingly easy for fraudsters. Making a transaction that is extremely likely to increase the amount of fraud within the hobby is an absolutely shameless act.

Best Regards,

Eric

Can't be said any better Eric, you hit the nail on the head. Thank you OP, you've identified another person I will avoid.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Can someone...anyone...tell me what purpose 35 year old gum would have? Other than adding a false element of realism to a resealed pack, of course.

I have a piece of gum from 1971 OPC that I bought along with a wrapper sometime between 1978 and 83. I thought it was sort of cool that it had survived. Not as an unopened pack, but as a wrapper and gum. It's also really different than the Topps gum -Different size, and with lines scored across it so it could be broken into dentyne sized chunks.

Topps also had some different flavored gum in hockey cards in the mid 70's. I remember it from buying the packs and being surprised to see yellow gum. I think it was bananna flavored. If I found an opened pack that had it, I'd buy it just for the curiosity.

I don't really get the idea of marking the wrappers. Would it be acceptable to mark ANY other bit of memorabilia? Look in the Autograph section and see how little they like the stickers used by the authenticators. Or look at how disliked any form of grading/slabbing is by some here. And that doesn't even mark the cards. I have a small collection of wrappers, and I'd be looking for replacements for marked ones. Same goes for the empty display boxes.
A whole stack of old gum though.....Not sure I'd want that.

Steve B