OT: Bonds, Clemens, Sosa to be on HOF ballot

[Peter_Spaeth]

i think he would have tailed off a lot more than that in his late 30s early 40s without the juice.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

i think he would have tailed off a lot more than that in his late 30s early 40s without the juice.

It's possible. And that's the great thing about baseball "what if " discussions.

I figured on a gradual dropoff to his final two years which I assumed were done clean.
A sharp dropoff would have maybe left him at the upper 600's ?

The big tripping point is his attitude. It cost him at least a year. clean with the same attitude and a quick dropoff? Maybe he doesn't stay around long enough for even 600.


Of course, while we're onto whatifs, If the Sox had ever signed Kingman we'd be wondering how none of these guys could hit 90 even with steroids.

And does anyone recall the Topps "cyber stats" cards from 94? They did projected stats based on some computer program and used them for an insert set. The computer had Barry at something like 73 HR.

Steve B

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by steve B

It's possible. And that's the great thing about baseball "what if " discussions.

I figured on a gradual dropoff to his final two years which I assumed were done clean.
A sharp dropoff would have maybe left him at the upper 600's ?

The big tripping point is his attitude. It cost him at least a year. clean with the same attitude and a quick dropoff? Maybe he doesn't stay around long enough for even 600.


Of course, while we're onto whatifs, If the Sox had ever signed Kingman we'd be wondering how none of these guys could hit 90 even with steroids.

And does anyone recall the Topps "cyber stats" cards from 94? They did projected stats based on some computer program and used them for an insert set. The computer had Barry at something like 73 HR.

Steve B

Longest home run I ever saw in person was Kingman at Fenway with the As. Canseco had just hit a rinky dink one to right and kingman steps up and hits it ten miles over the wall. In the paper the next day they said it paid its toll on the turnpike and was last seen heading west.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Longest home run I ever saw in person was Kingman at Fenway with the As. Canseco had just hit a rinky dink one to right and kingman steps up and hits it ten miles over the wall. In the paper the next day they said it paid its toll on the turnpike and was last seen heading west.

Love hearing about Mick's supposed 636 or so foot bomb. That's just unreal.

I heard of the Kingman shot, incredible

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Love hearing about Mick's supposed 636 or so foot bomb. That's just unreal.

I heard of the Kingman shot, incredible

kingman had huge holes in his swing and most often would strike out or hit a pathetic grounder, but when the pitchers left one out over the plate, amazing things could happen

earlier in his career i happened to catch a game at wrigley and saw him hit one clean out of the stadium, in person it was really quite amazing to see

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

kingman had huge holes in his swing and most often would strike out or hit a pathetic grounder, but when the pitchers left one out over the plate, amazing things could happen

earlier in his career i happened to catch a game at wrigley and saw him hit one clean out of the stadium, in person it was really quite amazing to see

That's amazing. He reminds me a little of Matt Stairs, all or nothing, but boy, when he got ahold of one...

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

That's amazing. He reminds me a little of Matt Stairs, all or nothing, but boy, when he got ahold of one...

Only time I ever saw a ball leave the stadium was Marty Barrett of all people - hit one over the net in left field at Fenway. I guess if you lived in Boston you would see that a lot.

[bosoxfan]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Love hearing about Mick's supposed 636 or so foot bomb. That's just unreal.

I heard of the Kingman shot, incredible

The longest home run hit to left field at Fenway was 501+ ft. by Manny Ramirez, a half foot shorter than Williams had hit to right many years earlier. (into the wind I might add)

Kingman's longest shot I believe was hit in 1976 at Wrigley during the 23-22 game with the Phils. It traveled over 570 feet! I'm sure the wind was blowing out that day
I don't believe Mantle ever hiy a ball 636 feet.

[christopher.herman]

Steriods. Give me a break. Bonds, Clemens and Sosa should have followed Babe Ruth's diet regimen of hot dogs, beer and underage girls. Controversy over.
C.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by bosoxfan

The longest home run hit to left field at Fenway was 501+ ft. by Manny Ramirez, a half foot shorter than Williams had hit to right many years earlier. (into the wind I might add)

Kingman's longest shot I believe was hit in 1976 at Wrigley during the 23-22 game with the Phils. It traveled over 570 feet! I'm sure the wind was blowing out that day
I don't believe Mantle ever hiy a ball 636 feet.

That HR by Manny should have been called at way over 501. I'm convinced it was only called that short out of respect for Williams.

The longest I saw in person were some by Rice. Not as high, but they were out quicker than any I've seen.

The one I recall by Kingman was while he was with the Yankees at Fenway. Hit in the bank of lights on the second light tower in left Mannys was only in the lights of the first tower. The one by Kingman should be the longest at Fenway, although there are a few others that were impressive. Like the handful that have gone completely out to the right of the flagpole.

Steve B