Has (most) everything good been graded

[markf31]

I think 80-90 percent is a high number over all. I do think that when a lot of people think about putting a card up on the market, they're more apt to have it graded first as opposed to selling it raw especially if they're not comfortable with their own ability to grade a card. But there is a very large segment of the hobby that do not like graded cards, will not deal in graded cards or will crack the graded cards out and keep them raw.

After attending the sports card show in Pittsburgh just last month, I can tell you that the raw and ungraded market is very much alive and well in the hobby and I think it's a great thing. From the Pittsburgh show I would venture a guess that perhaps the split is closer to 50-50 for prewar issues. The sets I'm currently collecting T205, 1934 Goudey and 1948 Leaf, raw cards dominated and outnumbered graded examples.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by markf31

I think 80-90 percent is a high number over all. I do think that when a lot of people think about putting a card up on the market, they're more apt to have it graded first as opposed to selling it raw especially if they're not comfortable with their own ability to grade a card. But there is a very large segment of the hobby that do not like graded cards, will not deal in graded cards or will crack the graded cards out and keep them raw.

After attending the sports card show in Pittsburgh just last month, I can tell you that the raw and ungraded market is very much alive and well in the hobby and I think it's a great thing. From the Pittsburgh show I would venture a guess that perhaps the split is closer to 50-50 for prewar issues. The sets I'm currently collecting T205, 1934 Goudey and 1948 Leaf, raw cards dominated and outnumbered graded examples.

i agree, there is a number of nice ungraded cards out there.

[Touch'EmAll]

I scoured ebay this morning looking for mid/high grade vintage major HOF'ers raw - not one single raw card I would consider purchasing that I honestly felt, yes, this is a very nice untampered with grade worthy card of Matty, W.Johnson, Cobb, Ruth, few others.

Maybe you guys on east coast have more shows with honest dealers in raw cards, not where I live, and certainly not on ebay.

Also look at major auction catalogs - Goodwin, REA, nothing for sale raw in higher grade.

Possibly yes for lower grades 1 thru 4, but higher grades no.

If you were to take total of all PSA 5 or higher Red T206 Cobb's, multiply that by, say, 5-10, then there would be hundreds in nice grade still raw? Come on.

Remember, we are not talking commons, wee are not talking low grades, we are talking high grade upper tier HOF'ers.

Right now, an average year Hank Aaron PSA 8 has population little over 200. So you are saying that in a decade or so we may see a 1963 Aaron PSA 8 with population upwards of 800-1000? Again, come on.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

I scoured ebay this morning looking for mid/high grade vintage major HOF'ers raw - not one single raw card I would consider purchasing that I honestly felt, yes, this is a very nice untampered with grade worthy card of Matty, W.Johnson, Cobb, Ruth, few others.

Maybe you guys on east coast have more shows with honest dealers in raw cards, not where I live, and certainly not on ebay.

Also look at major auction catalogs - Goodwin, REA, nothing for sale raw in higher grade.

Possibly yes for lower grades 1 thru 4, but higher grades no.

If you were to take total of all PSA 5 or higher Red T206 Cobb's, multiply that by, say, 5-10, then there would be hundreds in nice grade still raw? Come on.

Remember, we are not talking commons, wee are not talking low grades, we are talking high grade upper tier HOF'ers.

there are millions of cards out there, and waaaay less than .1% on ebay. most nice cards are in peoples attics or collections, and not up for sale. when people want to put them up for sale, then they have them graded and slabbed, but there are a lot ungraded and unslabbed in nice condition because they are in a collection with someone who is not considering selling at this time. Lots of people with unfiinished sets who will probably only get them graded after they are finished and consider selling, not before. just my opinion.

[egbeachley]

For pre-war, I would say around 30%. If someone had a collection 10 years ago, it would not have been graded. If they still have that collection and aren't considering selling it anytime soon, then it's still not graded. I don't think it's unreasonable for collections to remain 'hidden' for 30 years or more.

[Touch'EmAll]

If one is a high-end collector, as is myself - with no intent to sell, as is myself - I see (IMO) that the dude will at least send them in for obvious reasons:

a) wouldn't collector want to know if their cards are legit?
b) encapsulating is extra protection against damage
c) would then be ready to sell if opportunity/need arises
d) could unload non-legit cards to keep collection high-end
e) can now be on "registry" - not 4 me but folks do like it
f) have more pride in their overall collection

Everybody has an opinion - I value all your input - thanks.

[Jaybird]

Just my opinions - not speaking for all...

a) I can authenticate from personal knowledge and hobby friends
b) top loader provides as much protection as plastic
c) grade if and when sale happens (I'm not in a rush), if necessary
d) don't understand what this means
e) not interested
f) pride? I think they are fun but not sure I derive pride from the cards.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by travrosty

there are millions of cards out there, and waaaay less than .1% on ebay. most nice cards are in peoples attics or collections, and not up for sale.

Beacause there are huge finds every week...again COME ON There might be a handful of Nagy's or Lionel Carter type collectors, but certainly not more than 5-10. When was the last big find of anything pre 1952? Go to a card show, there are hardly any nice raw pre-war cards, maybe at the nationa lthings are different, but I would say 50% of everything is graded, and 90% of people know what they have, or think it is worth much more than it is

[Exhibitman]

I think the only safe conclusion is that lots of cards offered for sale are slabbed, but there is simply no way of knowing anything more. Ebay is not a good measure since by definition it is self-selected to people who want to sell and whose motivation is to maximize their return by slabbing grade-worthy cards.

The vast majority of my collection is raw. I have no need and no interest in slabbed cards unless it is to match with an already-slabbed partial set or to protect a delicate item, or to sell. In fact, I often crack out newly-acquired cards from slabs to put them in the albums with their brethren so I can enjoy them all together [I also scan and print out laser copies of slabbed cards as placeholders in albums if I don't want to cut them out of their tombs, but that is another story...].

Lots of 'advanced' collectors I know simply do not want to spend the money and go through the hassles of having their cards encapsulated, the difficulties of storing them, the hassle of handling them in slabs, etc. I know one collector who had $10,000 cards sitting in binders with the rest of his sets. People in that position have no plans to sell and no need to have their cards blessed by someone else. They also figure [correctly] that if they ever decide to liquidate their collections the auctioneers will have to eat the cost of slabbing.

[Bosox Blair]

Lots and lots ungraded.

As a small note, Mark Macrae is a dealer (West coast, not East) with an enormous inventory of all ungraded cards. Just sayin...

And regarding the 2011 National, two of my really nice pickups were a raw W600 in pretty high grade, and a raw V128 Paulin's Candy Newsy Lalonde (major hockey HOFer). I took both cards to the SGC booth and they both graded on-site with no problems. So you can find significant (relatively expensive) pre-war cards at the National that are not graded...and not hiding any problems either.

Cheers,
Blair

[Matthew H]

If you are going to judge whether or not everything good is graded by looking at eBay and your own collecting habits, then yes, everything good is graded.

[KyleTexas]

My Addie Joss/Pitching/Red Hindu Back ....

1. None Graded by PSA
2. None Graded by SGC

This is assuming their Population Reports are correct. None are showing ever graded by either grading company.


There is a picture of it on another thread currently ... post #22:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=152492&page=3

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by KyleTexas

My Addie Joss/Pitching/Red Hindu Back ....

1. None Graded by PSA
2. None Graded by SGC

This is assuming their Population Reports are correct. None are showing ever graded by either grading company.


There is a picture of it on another thread currently ... post #22:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=152492&page=3

Do you need help selling it?

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by travrosty

there are millions of cards out there, and waaaay less than .1% on ebay. most nice cards are in peoples attics or collections, and not up for sale. when people want to put them up for sale, then they have them graded and slabbed, but there are a lot ungraded and unslabbed in nice condition because they are in a collection with someone who is not considering selling at this time. Lots of people with unfiinished sets who will probably only get them graded after they are finished and consider selling, not before. just my opinion.

+1

Dead on. Just because a high percentage of cards for sale have been graded, does not translate to the universe of cards in existance.

[Cardboard Junkie]

Aloha,I think that the vast majority of pre wwII cards have NOT been graded. Of course there is no way to know for sure but my guess is maybe only 10% are graded. I havent been to a card show for many many years but those who go to a lot of them probably see 100 t-206s for every graded one. jmho. dave