Will this stock market madness affect cards?

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

On January 26, New York City’s health commissioner, Dr. Oxiris Barbot, warned, “It’s inevitable that we will have someone who is positive with coronavirus.” She also said, “We are encouraging New Yorkers to go about their everyday lives and suggest practicing everyday precautions that we do through the flu season.” She added that those “who had recently traveled from Wuhan were not being urged to self-quarantine or avoid large public gatherings.”


Thank goodness NY listened to this expert, right?.......and the Mayor too (yet it's Trumps fault right?):

Yes, the pediatrician and the politician were wrong. We can see the result with nearly 50,000 cases and over 650 deaths in the greater NYC area and the apex of the outbreak still a couple weeks ahead. That would seem to lend support to the advice of actual infectious disease experts to take drastic actions to halt the spread of the virus.

So, I guess I am not sure what your point is here other than since someone who should have known better was wrong once, we can now just ignore people with relevant expertise. Seems like a nice little piece of motivated reasoning.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

Yes, the pediatrician and the politician were wrong. We can see the result with nearly 50,000 cases and over 650 deaths in the greater NYC area and the apex of the outbreak still a couple weeks ahead. That would seem to lend support to the advice of actual infectious disease experts to take drastic actions to halt the spread of the virus.

So, I guess I am not sure what your point is here other than since someone who should have known better was wrong once, we can now just ignore people with relevant expertise. Seems like a nice little piece of motivated reasoning.

My point here was the media and others have non-stop pounded Trump on this, when Health Officials and Politicians on both side are equal to blame.

You've got both sides throwing stones when everyone is to blame. Who cares? Fix it. Fix the economy. Now is a time all should be working together, put the stupid politics aside. And I'm not a nurse or a doctor so I can't help on that side, but I am healthy (so I can and I am working) and I can spend money, and believe me I don't have much, but I'll spend what I have on local businesses to help keep them afloat. I'm not gonna hide in my house for 6 months and just hope it all blows over.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

My point here was the media and others have non-stop pounded Trump on this, when Health Officials and Politicians on both side are equal to blame.

The guy at the top takes responsibility. The buck stops here.

[Jdoggs]

The guy at the top takes some of the responsibility and should not take all of the blame. There are many other people to blame and those other people should be held responsible.
Jason

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

The guy at the top takes some of the responsibility and should not take all of the blame. There are many other people to blame and those other people should be held responsible.
Jason

Sure, there may be some people who share portions of the blame, but a leader is held accountable for the people he leads. I know it’s popular to pass blame in today’s culture, but the man at the top always takes responsibility for the mess. That’s what comes with being a leader.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Sure, there may be some people who share portions of the blame, but a leader is held accountable for the people he leads. I know it’s popular to pass blame in today’s culture, but the man at the top always takes responsibility for the mess. That’s what comes with being a leader.

Jason, is that just like the Astros? What happened to the owner?

From what I recall the Manager & GM are the 2 who took the blame and got the axe, not the guy at the top.

[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Sure, there may be some people who share portions of the blame, but a leader is held accountable for the people he leads. I know it’s popular to pass blame in today’s culture, but the man at the top always takes responsibility for the mess. That’s what comes with being a leader.

So Jason say you are at work and you mess up doing your job. So your Boss is only responsible for your mistake as he or she is the leader and not you?

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

So Jason say you are at work and you mess up doing your job. So your Boss is only responsible for your mistake as he or she is the leader and not you?

Let me answer this question as a person who has been a people manager for over 25 years.

Yes, I am responsible for my subordinates actions.

It is my responsibility to staff my organization with competent people, to make sure they understand what is considered a successful outcome, to make sure they have the tools and training needed to succeed, and to establish processes and metrics that allow me to ensure they are succeeding.

And get this: if I go to my boss and say "because of all we’ve done, the risk to the companies products remains very low. … When you have 15 defects, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done" but then, all of sudden, we have shipped over 122,000 products with defects and continue to ship more each day, I am not going to give myself a score of 10 out of 10. I may not be actually assembling the products, but I am responsible and I deserve to lose my job.

[ZiggerZagger]

Against my better judgment I'm going to make a quick comment and ghost out. Folks can spend their time debating this as they wish.

As a physician, this is a really scary time for myself, for my family, and my 70-year old parents and in-laws. I have already been asked to do things that I am not trained for, and may not have proper protection while doing them.

We also know that the rest of the country is just days/a week or 2 behind NY. No area of the U.S. is going to be fully spared.

But the fact that "Blame" is even a word in people's vocabulary right now is so saddening.

There are going to be human experiences ahead which have typically only been reserved for wartime, but instead are going to be lived by everyone in our society.

This needs to be a time to come together, get our communities strong and united, and brace for what's to come.

There isn't anyone to blame for a Pandemic, no country or individual.

If there is willful ignorance that leads to people unnecessarily dying, then be sure that Blame should and will be handed out to those individuals. But please consider saving it for once the dust has settled.

We're going to find out what America is made of in the coming weeks, and I personally think and hope that it's better than what is reflected in our current politics.

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[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

So Jason say you are at work and you mess up doing your job. So your Boss is only responsible for your mistake as he or she is the leader and not you?

If someone I hire makes a mistake large enough to kill Americans, yes. You better believe it.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Sure, there may be some people who share portions of the blame, but a leader is held accountable for the people he leads. I know it’s popular to pass blame in today’s culture, but the man at the top always takes responsibility for the mess. That’s what comes with being a leader.

How do you blame Don Trump for a wordwide pandemic that originated in China?

Would you blame him for an earthquake in California, or a tornado in Nebraska?

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Mark17

How do you blame Don Trump for a wordwide pandemic that originated in China?

Would you blame him for an earthquake in California, or a tornado in Nebraska?

I don’t blame him for the pandemic, I blame him for his response and his administration’s response. That’s obvious.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Sure, there may be some people who share portions of the blame, but a leader is held accountable for the people he leads. I know it’s popular to pass blame in today’s culture, but the man at the top always takes responsibility for the mess. That’s what comes with being a leader.

Since the center of the problem (ground zero in the US) is New York, how much of the responsibility lies with the mayor of that city, and the governor of that state? How prepared were they? What contingencies, and backup plans, did they have in place? Certainly New York is a wealthy state, and with high tax rates too. One would think they would have been well stocked with supplies and equipment, and with supply chains established in case of emergency.

New York, since September 2001, has known it was the prime target of terrorists. So they had the money, and the reason to expect the unexpected on a potentially massive scale. Bio-terrorism was always a possibility. How much responsibility lies with governor Cuomo?

And now that he has opposed quarantining his state, how much responsibility does he own, when frightened New Yorkers flee to other states, spreading this virus, and death, across the entire country?

Just curious as to your thoughts.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Since the center of the problem (ground zero in the US) is New York, how much of the responsibility lies with the mayor of that city, and the governor of that state? How prepared were they? What contingencies, and backup plans, did they have in place? Certainly New York is a wealthy state, and with high tax rates too. One would think they would have been well stocked with supplies and equipment, and with supply chains established in case of emergency.

New York, since September 2001, has known it was the prime target of terrorists. So they had the money, and the reason to expect the unexpected on a potentially massive scale. Bio-terrorism was always a possibility. How much responsibility lies with governor Cuomo?

And now that he has opposed quarantining his state, how much responsibility does he own, when frightened New Yorkers flee to other states, spreading this virus, and death, across the entire country?

Just curious as to your thoughts.

I think plenty of blame should be passed to Coumo and DeBlasio. I live in Manhattan and my girlfriend is a doctor treating COVID cases at the VA downtown as I write this. Coumo bears some responsibility. But, Trump has the power and right to overrule them, he’s choosing not to. Trump has the power to quarantine New York, declare Marshall Law, bring in the national guard, etc. Trump is making the choice not to. The Trump Administration is allowing New Yorkers to leave New York.

Of course Cuomo doesn’t want to Quarantine New York, Coumo’s allegiances lie with New Yorkers, not with the people of New Jersey, PA, CT, etc. It’s 100% Trump’s responsibility to quarantine if he believes it would help.

[Baseball Fan]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

The guy at the top takes some of the responsibility and should not take all of the blame. There are many other people to blame and those other people should be held responsible.
Jason

Has the guy at the top taken any responsibility yet? Is that even in his playbook?

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

The guy at the top takes some of the responsibility and should not take all of the blame. There are many other people to blame and those other people should be held responsible.
Jason

"The President--whoever he is--has to decide. He can't pass the buck to anybody. No one else can do the deciding for him. That's his job." From President Truman's farewell address discussing the concept of "the buck stops here."

“I don’t take responsibility at all,” President Trump when if he took responsibility for the testing lag.

I guess some presidents are more presidential than others.