Candiman Auctions Explained

pokerplyr80 · #1 03-11-2018, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Batpig

Amex definitely has it in the fine print. That's the one I checked for sure before this auction, hoping I could have that to fall back on, since Amex usually sides with buyers.

Just pulled up my terms and conditions for amex. The section on disputes if you are unhappy with your purchase was surprisingly short. No specific mention of auction houses, but interesting that the policy does not apply to purchases out of state or made 100 miles from home. I'm not sure how that rule would apply to an online purchase made from my home but to a company out of state. Perhaps an attorney could clarify. Hi Peter

Your Rights

If You Are Dissatisfied With Your Credit Card Purchases If you are dissatisfied with the goods or services that you have purchased with your credit card, and you have tried in good faith to correct the problem with the merchant, you may have the right not to pay the remaining amount due on the purchase. To use this right, all of the following must be true:

1. The purchase must have been made in your home state or within 100 miles of your current mailing address, and the purchase price must have been more than $50. (Note: Neither of these are necessary if your purchase was based on an advertisement we mailed to you, or if we own the company that sold you the goods or services.)

2. You must have used your credit card for the purchase. Purchases made with cash advances from an ATM or with a check that accesses your credit card account do not qualify.

3. You must not yet have fully paid for the purchase. If all of the criteria above are met and you are still dissatisfied with the purchase, contact us in writing at: American Express PO Box 981535 El Paso TX 79998-1535 While we investigate, the same rules apply to the disputed amount as discussed above. After we finish our investigation, we will tell you our decision. At that point, if we think you owe an amount and you do not pay, we may report you as delinquent.

pokerplyr80 · #2 03-11-2018, 07:12 PM

Terms are more generous if you are a victim of fraud, and in my personal opinion if I bought a card described in a much better condition that the one I received that would constitute fraud. I'm not certain the credit card company would agree, but I would certainly argue my case.

Republicaninmass · #3 03-11-2018, 07:21 PM

I have a feeling most people who are just relying on returning the items have not been burned in the past. I sent over 4000$ to an auction house last year and they never even called me back. They disappeared Into the wind and took over 50k total from buyers. It just isn't that easy to get your money back.

cardsnstuff · #4 03-11-2018, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I have a feeling most people who are just relying on returning the items have not been burned in the past. I sent over 4000$ to an auction house last year and they never even called me back. They disappeared Into the wind and took over 50k total from buyers. It just isn't that easy to get your money back.

That sucks; and were there no legal avenue's you could pursue?

Republicaninmass · #5 03-11-2018, 07:33 PM

We are pursuing a class action suit. I'll reiterate it isn't easy to "just get your money back". Local cops don't even care, so it's about getting an attorney to scare him enough so he pays.

earlywynnfan · #6 03-11-2018, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

We are pursuing a class action suit. I'll reiterate it isn't easy to "just get your money back". Local cops don't even care, so it's about getting an attorney to scare him enough so he pays.

what AH?

danmckee · #7 03-11-2018, 08:47 PM

The brothers are not answering my emails but had no problem sending me an invoice. No communication at all. I imagine it will be worse if I try to get my money back, that is if I decide to pay in the first place.

LeftHandedDane · #8 03-11-2018, 08:51 PM

I've slogged through the 30-some odd pages of this thread and must confess that I don't get why there is such an uproar here. Maybe its because I buy ungraded cards almost exclusively, in fact I strongly prefer them. Here is what my takeaway is from the Battles'. They freely admit they are selling some cards that have been altered - they have identified them as such in the auction. Additionally, they are guaranteeing that if any card sold in their auction that was NOT identified as altered comes back that way from a TPG they will offer a full refund. That seems like a reasonable position to take.

As a buyer of ungraded cards, I pay little to no attention to the sellers grading of the card - it is almost always overstated! I make my own decision based upon the scan. I do expect the seller to be honest about flaws that may not show up on the scan, or to identify if the card has been altered or trimmed, but just because the seller claims the card is "NM-MT" and its really only "VG-EX" or comes back from PSA as a 4 I don't see that as fraud.

I know that Battlefield was renowned for doctoring/photoshopping the photos of the cards so that the actual card did not match the photo. It does seem, however, that when the buyer took issue with this refunds were generally given.

So, if the photos are genuine, and you know in advance if you are buying a trimmed (or otherwise altered card), I don't see how this auction is any different from any other. Those who desire the lower risk of buying a card in a graded holder are certainly going to sit out this auction; those who prefer them out of slabs can jump in.

npa589 · #9 03-12-2018, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

what AH?

Maybe it can't be stated here, but I am curious too. What AH did this? That is absolutely awful

botn · #10 03-11-2018, 07:38 PM

I just lost my first dispute on a Citi credit card. I have had less than a dozen go my way, some quite large too over the past 35 years. This one was against Morphy Auctions. They had misidentified the player in a photo I bought. The purchase price was a $350 and the reason Citi would not find in my favor was because the merchant, Morphy Auctions, did not agree to give me a refund.

Well yeah, they did not want to give me a refund when I contacted them upon receipt of the photo so I was not thinking they were going to lay down for Citi. I was able to provide Citi with overwhelming/irrefutable proof the image was misrepresented. Apparently all Morphy had to do was respond to my dispute saying they do not agree. I was provided their response and it consisted of my invoice and proof of delivery, neither addressed the dispute. LOL. I tried to appeal it and Citi instead gave me an in house credit. Not the outcome I wanted but they can probably afford the $350 hit more than I can.

mechanicalman · #11 03-12-2018, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by botn

I just lost my first dispute on a Citi credit card. I have had less than a dozen go my way, some quite large too over the past 35 years. This one was against Morphy Auctions. They had misidentified the player in a photo I bought. The purchase price was a $350 and the reason Citi would not find in my favor was because the merchant, Morphy Auctions, did not agree to give me a refund.

Well yeah, they did not want to give me a refund when I contacted them upon receipt of the photo so I was not thinking they were going to lay down for Citi. I was able to provide Citi with overwhelming/irrefutable proof the image was misrepresented. Apparently all Morphy had to do was respond to my dispute saying they do not agree. I was provided their response and it consisted of my invoice and proof of delivery, neither addressed the dispute. LOL. I tried to appeal it and Citi instead gave me an in house credit. Not the outcome I wanted but they can probably afford the $350 hit more than I can.

I agree it's not that easy to win a charge back. I bought a $4500 Ruth on ebay a few years ago, and the package arrived empty. It took three months of back and forth with AMEX, and they only agreed to a reversal after I sent them a signed affidavit from my postmaster explaining the package they handled felt "light." Thank goodness I was working with a small town post office.

1952boyntoncollector · #12 03-12-2018, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mechanicalman

I agree it's not that easy to win a charge back. I bought a $4500 Ruth on ebay a few years ago, and the package arrived empty. It took three months of back and forth with AMEX, and they only agreed to a reversal after I sent them a signed affidavit from my postmaster explaining the package they handled felt "light." Thank goodness I was working with a small town post office.

what was the market price for that Ruth..

You know what they say

" if you pay light..the package is going to feel light "

bobbyw8469 · #13 03-12-2018, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

what was the market price for that Ruth..

You know what they say

" if you pay light..the package is going to feel light "

Scammers abound everywhere. I once accepted a return for some 1961 Fleer Basketball cards after the guy complained that they had qualifiers on them (after he bid on them and won them with the same qualifiers, because I had scans on everything, and mentioned the qualifiers in the title). He ended up sending back cracked BVG holders and not my cards. Because of the advice over on PSA boards, I opened the package in front of a postal employee who confirmed that I received a "brick" in the mail. While the PSA board gave me good advice, some real jerks over there believed I was lying or at fault somehow in the matter. Made me realize how there are some real grade A assholes in the world.

mechanicalman · #14 03-15-2018, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

what was the market price for that Ruth..

You know what they say

" if you pay light..the package is going to feel light "

WTF does this even mean? I won an auction, so I can assure you I didn�t �pay light.� I�ve never �paid light� on any card I own. Are you suggesting I somehow deserved to get scammed?

Republicaninmass · #15 03-19-2018, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

what was the market price for that Ruth..

You know what they say

" if you pay light..the package is going to feel light "

Of all the incoherent posts you've made, this is the most insensitive and inconsiderate I can remember. This a community, and nobody should be so insensitive to another board member. Your follow up post is nothing more than an inadequate attempt to back peddle on your original comment.

You've already had Leon instill a rule about quoting BST prices. Are you proud of that or think you are somehow clever? If you don't plan on adding anything of value to this forum, I suggest you go play in different sandbox with some other children.

pokerplyr80 · #16 03-12-2018, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mechanicalman

I agree it's not that easy to win a charge back. I bought a $4500 Ruth on ebay a few years ago, and the package arrived empty. It took three months of back and forth with AMEX, and they only agreed to a reversal after I sent them a signed affidavit from my postmaster explaining the package they handled felt "light." Thank goodness I was working with a small town post office.

I'm surprised it came to that. I would have expected the eBay guarantee to take care of an issue like that.

bobbyw8469 · #17 03-15-2018, 01:09 PM

When the winnings start arriving, please post them on here. As for me, I'm still waiting on my one lowly card.

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