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I refer to the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 and UZIT cards as "matched pairs". American Lithographic printed 74 cards of each, using the same pre-printed
sheets of the fronts of these 74 subjects. My theory is....AB 460 and UZIT cards (74 each) were the final production runs of the T206 set (circa Spring 1911). Checklists will follow. I may add that I also think that a number of LENOX cards were printed in that same timeframe. I will start this show with my first AB 460 (Wheat), and my favorite (Cobb). I have 73 of the 74 cards in this sub-set (need only Camnitz). ![]() ![]() ![]() And, here is my first UZIT (Schaefer) and my pride and joy (McGraw). This sub-set is a work in progress. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() OK....it's your turn to Show-n-Tell some of your favorite T206 backs and as many of their cards as you desire. TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 04-02-2022 at 07:22 AM. Reason: Modified Title. |
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Here’s a link to their AB 460 checklist: https://t206resource.com/American%20...Checklist.html |
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Pretty sure the extra is Ames Hands over Head
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Ah, indeed. It’s pop-zero on both PSA and SGC.
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Love the Red Hindus
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smart move, starting a new thread.
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Ames (hands over head) is the 75th card on T206Resource's AB 460 checklist. It is absolute incorrect. I can give you several reasons why I say this, but 2 will do. I had this card listed in one of my early (circa 2008) AB460 threads because it was an input in Bill Brown's T206 Super Set Xcel work-sheet (circa 2006) by a very dependable fellow. Then when I came up with my "Mutually-Exclusive" theory regarding the 350/460 series, I realized that this Ames was never printed with an AB 460 back. I contacted the Net54 member who inputted that front/back combo to the Super Set. He checked his vast collection of T206's and admitted he has an Ames/CYCLE 460 which he by mistake inputted this card as an AB 460. 2nd.....If you check-out T206 Reference Post #945, you will see that Red HINDU cards were printed with SWEET CAP 350-460 Factory #42 cards (AB 460 cards are absolutely a NO-PRINT with this SC back). And with the exception of the Exclusive 12 subjects, AB 460 and Red HINDU cards are mutually-exclusive. This Ames has been confirmed with a SWEET CAP 350-460 Factory #42 back. However, this Ames has yet to be confirmed with a Red HINDU back. I completely expect it will eventually be discovered with a Red HINDU. I predicted two other cards in recent years would be found with Red HINDU backs (Dougherty and Donlin)....and, they were. TED Z . |
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Damn Chris!
I love a brown old mill |
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![]() ![]() ![]() AMERICAN BEAUTY 460.......74 (total) confirmed cards. Printed and issued in early 1911....COMPLETE 350/460 Series..................28 cards COMPLETE Berger Bradley (bat) Burch (fielding) Cobb (bat off) Conroy (bat) Crawford (bat) Jennings (one hand) Jennings (two hands) Jordan (bat) Lajoie (bat) Lake (no ball) Leach (cap) Leifield (bat) Manning (pitching) McQuillan (bat) Mullin (bat) Overall (yellow sky) Pelty (vertical) Pfeister (throwing) Smith (Chicago & Boston) Steinfeldt (bat) Tinker (bat off) Wagner (bat on right) Doc White (pitching) Wilhelm (bat) Willetts Willis (bat) Wiltse (pitching) 460-only Series..................46 cards COMPLETE Abbaticcio (blue sleeves) Ball (Cleveland) Bell (pitching) Bescher (arms above) Bergen (catching) Bridwell (portrait-cap) Camnitz (arms above head) Camnitz (arm at side) Chance (bat) Chase (trophy) Crandall (portrait-cap) Devore Doyle (portrait) Duffy Ford Gandil Geyer Herzog (Boston) Howell (hands at waist) Hummell Lake (with ball) Latham Marquard (follow thru) McGraw (portrait-cap) McGraw (glove at hip) Merkle (throwing) Meyers (portrait) Murray (portrait) Needham Oldring (bat) Overall (blue sky) Payne Pfeffer Schaefer (Washington) Schulte (back view) Schlei (portrait) Schlei (bat) Seymour (portrait) Sheckard (glove) F. Smith (Chicago & Boston) H. Smith (Brooklyn) Stovall (bat) Tannehill (Chicago) Tinker (bat on) Wheat Wiltse (portrait-cap) TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Ted claimed he owned an Ames American Beauty 460 but after finding out it likely doesn't exist he went back and edited all his lists to switch Ames around (he's still doing it 10 years later on some lists) but he couldn't edit this one because it's on the old board. Quote:
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Hey Pat
You continue repeating (Folks, this is the 4th time) the same old stuff from o 14 (or more) years ago. What's wrong with you ? I have explained every time you do this regarding the Ames, Baker, Elberfeld cards on that old list. But, you ignore my explanation. Otherwise, you would refrain from sounding like a "broken record". Give us all a break.....will you ! You look foolish, because all you are doing is providing another example of how your "resource buddies" borrowed my old Checklists and put the data into their resource site. Not only AB 460 list, but SOVEREIGN lists, and PIEDMONT #42 list. Regarding the latter list, Resource still has three subjects on it that do not exist. And, that is not only my opinion. It is also Adam Goldberg's opinion (who has put together this run. Long ago, I have explained why a few subjects on my lists dating back to 2006 - 2008 were incorrect. I subsequently corrected them. There are some of us on this forum that have requested Resource to correct their mistakes, but none of them have been corrected ! HEY EVERYONE.....here we go again "Mr HIGH-JACKER" is trying to disrupt a meaningful thread of mine. Just ignore him....and continue posting your favorite cards with you favorite backs. TED Z . |
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![]() Hi Chris....very spiffy. I love the red HINDU cards, too. This back is 3rd on my list. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 04-01-2022 at 09:34 AM. Reason: Added scan. |
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Yeah and for the fourth time Ted it wasn't just on your list you said you had it in your set I don't know how gullible you think everyone is if we're supposed to believe that someone that completes an American Beauty 460 subset and keeps their T206 cards in a binder in alphabetical order by series and back mistakenly thought they owned the first card on the checklist. and this isn't the first time you claimed you owned a card that didn't exist https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=136566 You even went so far as faking a scan of the card when questioned about owning it. Then you edited your post and removed the scan but John M had saved the scan you posted. You even used the back of another 649 subject that matched up with the Nicholls front. NichollsSC649.jpg Now I may be in the minority here and your friends can defend you but I find it far worse when someone in the hobby intentionally deceives other people in the hobby than I do some scumbag who doesn't pretend to have the best intentions about the hobby in mind when they are trimming cards and faking autographs. Last edited by Pat R; 04-01-2022 at 10:29 AM. |
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My favorite back is Red Cross (although it doesn’t really count in this context). And I only have 2
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I consider RED CROSS (T215-1) cards and the 1910 COUPON cards as T206's.....so your context is valid here. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() TED Z T206 Reference . |
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OK....let's make this thread a lot more interesting by posting your 6 favorite backs with cards representing them.
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Sonny, Wow! That Matty Hindu!
Chris, and those Red Hindu's are off the charts. Here's a few... Last edited by MVSNYC; 04-01-2022 at 08:20 PM. |
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I'm just happy if my T206s have backs...
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There were at least 2 print runs of LENOX T206 cards. First in Fall/Winter of 1910. And, subsequently in early 1911 (about the same timeframe as the T80 cards were printed). T206 UZIT cards were printed circa early 1911....about the same timeframe as the T80 cards. There may have been at least 2 print runs (or possibly 3). I base this due to the fact that 28 subjects have been confirmed from the 350/460 Series (a completed print run). And, 30 (of 46) subjects have been confirmed from 460-only Series. Furthermore, I have a suspicion that there was a possible 3rd print run, because of the sheer scarcity of the Exclusive 12 subjects with the UZIT back (relative to the other 34 subjects in the 460-only Series). For example......my McGraw / UZIT card is unique. From this group of Exclusive 12 guys, only 5 (of the 12) have been confirmed with UZIT back. And, only 1 or 2 copies each. ![]() ![]() TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Hey guys,
Now imagine this...... opening a LENOX (or UZIT) cigarette pack in the Spring of 1911 and finding a T206 card and a T80 card in it.... WOW ! ! An ALC ledger sheet (dated Feb 1911) exists instructing ATC employees at Factory #30 to insert both a T206 and a T80 in a LENOX (or UZIT) cigarette pack. At the beginning of 1911, American Litho (ALC) launched their Gold-Border series of cards. The T80 cards depicting worldwide Military subjects were one of their 1st issues. The artwork of the T80's is very distinctive, and their gold borders are quite ornate. ALC concluded their T206 production in the Spring of 1911 with AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 and UZIT cards. The AB 460 and UZIT cards were printed in the same timeframe. Also, the last print run of LENOX cards was (more or less) within that same timeframe. T80 cards ![]() ![]() T80 cards were also printed with OLD MILL backs, which are extremely rare. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Of the 30 confirmed 460 only Uzit cards over a third have a combined pop of 0 or 1 and 20 have 3 or fewer. Here are the combined PSA/SGC pop numbers with the confirmed exclusive 12 singled out 5 confirmed cards have 0 in the pop reports 9 confirmed cards have 1 in the pop reports Hummel, Sheckard, McGraw 3 confirmed cards have 2 in the pop reports 3 confirmed cards have 3 in the pop reports Crandall 0 confirmed cards have 4 in the pop reports 1 confirmed card has 5 in the pop reports Geyer 3 confirmed cards have 6 in the pop reports 1 confirmed card has 7 in the pop reports 1 confirmed card has 8 in the pop reports 0 confirmed cards have 9 in the pop reports 1 confirmed card has 10 in the pop reports 1 confirmed card has 11 in the pop reports 1 confirmed card has 12 in the pop reports 1 confirmed card has 12 in the pop reports 16 unconfirmed 460 only uzits Devore, Duffy, Ford, Gandil, Pfeffer, Tannehill, Wheat all of this looks like a typical scarce back pop report to me and nothing stands out about the exclusive 12 Last edited by Pat R; 04-03-2022 at 06:23 AM. Reason: corrected numbers |
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Tell me where you are getting your numbers from regarding the 5 - Exclusive 12 cards ?
My McGraw / UZIT is the only one reported in the SGC pop report data. And, the PSA pop report data has NONE. ![]() ![]() ![]() Furthermore, I have been working on runs of the Exclusive 12 subjects. My McGraw is complete (13 cards), Ford is 12 cards (missing the UZIT), and the remaining 10 subjects are a constant work in progress. Unless you have done (or doing) this empirically, you will not appreciate the difficulty that it presents. TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 04-03-2022 at 08:02 AM. Reason: Added information. |
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Crandall PSA 1 SGC 2 Geyer PSA 3 SGC 2 Hummel PSA 1 SGC 0 McGraw PSA 0 SGC 1 Sheckard PSA 0 SGC 1 I didn't claim that the exclusive 12 Uzit's weren't difficult but many of the 460 only subjects are just as difficult to find with an Uzit back. |
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Your original pop report numbers in Post #25 regarding Crandall, Geyer, Hummel, McGraw, and Sheckard were incorrect. For example......you posted McGraw's UZIT pop report being 3. NOT SO ! Anyhow, I see you edited them, and corrected them to the actual numbers. Very good. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Here are my top six T206 backs, with Hall of Fame examples of each:
Piedmont 150 Piedmont 350 Piedmont 350/460 f25 Sweet Caporal 150 f30 Sweet Caporal 350 f30 Sweet Caporal 350/460 f30 These must be my favorites, as I have more screwed up cards with these backs compared to screwed up cards with other backs. Brian |
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The CAROLINA BRIGHTS back is my 7th favorite T206 back. The stylistic design of the CAROLINA BRIGHTS back is one of the best of the T206 brands.
American Lithographic printed these backs in 1910, during their 350-only series press runs. Here is a sampling of CAROLINA BRIGHTS cards in my collection. I don't have Otis Clymer any more. I traded him to Brian Weisner years ago. Brian W is our resident expert on CAROLINA BRIGHTS cards. So, how about "lighting-up" this page with your CAROLINA BRIGHTS ![]() . ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Hi Ted,
I hope you are well. Here are the two "best" backs left in my collection. Unfortunately for my heirs I sold all of my super nice ABs, CBs, Cycles, Hindus and other BLs shortly before the T206 market went vertical. |
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Just a friendly bump......to say my 8th favorite T206 back is OLD MILL. And, here are my 3 favorite OLD MILL cards in my collection.
This blue portrait Chase is my very first T206 card which I acquired in March 1981 at the famous Willow Grove (Pennsylvania) Show. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() TED Z T206 Reference . |
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I also like em blank
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Adult Card Entertainment. Should start labeling these threads XXX. Here are a few of my favorites with some tough combos!
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My paltry addition to the thread…
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Nice cards, guys.
Ted/Chris, here's another Blank/Proof... |
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