Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2210707)

I refer to the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 and UZIT cards as "matched pairs". American Lithographic printed 74 cards of each, using the same pre-printed
sheets of the fronts of these 74 subjects.
My theory is....AB 460 and UZIT cards (74 each) were the final production runs of the T206 set (circa Spring 1911). Checklists will follow.
I may add that I also think that a number of LENOX cards were printed in that same timeframe.


I will start this show with my first AB 460 (Wheat), and my favorite (Cobb). I have 73 of the 74 cards in this sub-set (need only Camnitz).

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...chWheat50x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...hWheat50xb.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...obbBat25xx.jpg




And, here is my first UZIT (Schaefer) and my pride and joy (McGraw).
This sub-set is a work in progress.
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erUZITx25b.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ferUZITx25.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...UZITxSGC30.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...loveUZITxb.jpg



OK....it's your turn to Show-n-Tell some of your favorite T206 backs and as many of their cards as you desire.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Originally Posted by stutor (Post 2210728)

Pretty sure the extra is Ames Hands over Head

Originally Posted by HobokenJon (Post 2210718)

Ted, I can’t help myself and have to ask . . . You said there are 74 subjects with AB 460 backs. T206 Resource’s AB 460 checklist shows 75 confirmed subjects. Which subject on their list do you believe is a false positive? I don’t have a dog in this hunt, and I’m not working on an AB subset. So I don’t know the answer and haven’t done any research on this to date. You also know from our previous exchanges that T206 Resource still shows three false positives on its EPDG checklist (Pastorius, Hunky Shaw and Willett). So I’m making no presumptions that T206 Resource’s AB 460 list is correct. I’d just like to know. Getting 73 subjects with AB 460 backs is quite the accomplishment.

Here’s a link to their AB 460 checklist: https://t206resource.com/American%20...Checklist.html

Originally Posted by HobokenJon (Post 2210718)

Ted, I can’t help myself and have to ask . . . You said there are 74 subjects with AB 460 backs. T206 Resource’s AB 460 checklist shows 75 confirmed subjects. Which subject on their list do you believe is a false positive? I don’t have a dog in this hunt, and I’m not working on an AB subset. So I don’t know the answer and haven’t done any research on this to date. You also know from our previous exchanges that T206 Resource still shows three false positives on its EPDG checklist (Pastorius, Hunky Shaw and Willett). So I’m making no presumptions that T206 Resource’s AB 460 list is correct. I’d just like to know. Getting 73 subjects with AB 460 backs is quite the accomplishment.

Here’s a link to their AB 460 checklist: https://t206resource.com/American%20...Checklist.html

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2210747)

Jon

Ames (hands over head) is the 75th card on T206Resource's AB 460 checklist.

It is absolute incorrect. I can give you several reasons why I say this, but 2 will do. I had this card listed in one of my early (circa 2008) AB460 threads because it was an input
in Bill Brown's T206 Super Set Xcel work-sheet (circa 2006) by a very dependable fellow.
Then when I came up with my "Mutually-Exclusive" theory regarding the 350/460 series, I realized that this Ames was never printed with an AB 460 back. I contacted the Net54
member who inputted that front/back combo to the Super Set. He checked his vast collection of T206's and admitted he has an Ames/CYCLE 460 which he by mistake inputted
this card as an AB 460.

2nd.....If you check-out T206 Reference Post #945, you will see that Red HINDU cards were printed with SWEET CAP 350-460 Factory #42 cards (AB 460 cards are absolutely
a NO-PRINT with this SC back). And with the exception of the Exclusive 12 subjects, AB 460 and Red HINDU cards are mutually-exclusive.
This Ames has been confirmed with a SWEET CAP 350-460 Factory #42 back. However, this Ames has yet to be confirmed with a Red HINDU back. I completely expect
it will eventually be discovered with a Red HINDU.
I predicted two other cards in recent years would be found with Red HINDU backs (Dougherty and Donlin)....and, they were.


TED Z
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Originally Posted by Archive (Post 642668)

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>There are 103 possible T206's that could have been printed with the American Beauty 460 back. But,<br>there are always those &quot;nasty&quot; No-Prints that keep you guessing. After 4 years of hunting for AB 460<br>cards, it appears that 33 Subjects are No-Prints. This of course is subject to revision, if additional AB<br>460's are found.<br><br>So, it's taken me 4 years to acquire 70 cards. It took me only 11 months to put together a 521 card<br>T206 Piedmont set. So, that gives you an idea how tough these AB 460 cards are.<br><br>Since the AB 460 back has a Factory 42 (North Carolina) identification, we can presume these cards<br>were issued at the very end of the T206 production run (circa 1911). So, I thought it would be cool<br>to collect this final T206 issue.<br><br><br><img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/aab460array12.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><br><img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/bab460array12.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><br><br><img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/ab460cranlajburmcgraw.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><br><br><br>Listed here are the 70 cards in my set. The 350/460 Series is first and the 460-only Series follows.....<br><br>350/460 Series......30 cards<br><br>Ames (hands above head)<br>Baker<br>Berger<br>Bradley (bat)<br>Burch (fielding)<br>Cobb (bat off)<br>Conroy (bat)<br>Crawford (bat)<br>Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)<br>Jennings (one hand)<br>Jennings (two habds)<br>Jordan (bat)<br>Lajoie (bat)<br>Lake (no ball)<br>Leach (cap)<br>Leifield (bat)<br>Manning (pitching)<br>McQuillan (bat)<br>Mullin (bat)<br>Overall (yellow sky)<br>Pelty (vertical)<br>Pfeister (throwing)<br>Snodgrass (catching)<br>Steinfeldt (bat)<br>Tinker (bat off)<br>Wagner (bat on right)<br>Willetts<br>Willis (bat)<br>Wilhelm (bat)<br>Wiltse (throwing)<br><br>460-only Series......40 cards<br><br>Abbaticcio (blue sleeves)<br>Ball (Cleveland)<br>Bergen (catching)<br>Bridwell (cap)<br>Camnitz (arms at side)<br>Camnitz (arms up)<br>Chance (bat)<br>Chase (Trophy)<br>Crandall (cap)<br>Devore<br>Doyle (portrait)<br>Duffy<br>Ford<br>Frill<br>Gandil<br> Geyer<br>Howell (hands at waist)<br>Hummell<br>Lake (with ball)<br>Latham<br>Marquard (follow thru)<br>McGraw (glove at hip)<br>Meyers<br>Needham<br>Oldring (bat)<br>Overall (blue sky)<br>Payne<br>Pfeffer<br>Schaefer (Washington)<br>Schulte (back view)<br>Schlei (bat)<br>Seymour (portrait)<br>Sheckard (glove)<br>F. Smith (Chicago &amp; Boston)<br>H. Smith (Brooklyn)<br>Stovall (bat)<br>Tannehill (Chicago)<br>Tinker (bat on)<br>Wheat<br>Wiltse (portrait w/cap)<br><br>I'd very much appreciate any additions to this sub-set....as I said, I am not 100% certain that these<br>70 cards complete this run. Actually, I would have expected more of them from the 460-only Series.<br><br>So, once more I'm asking you T206 collectors to check-out you sets and see if you have any AB 460<br>cards that are not on my list ?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>TED Z<br><br><br><br>

Originally Posted by atx840 (Post 2210739)

Love the Red Hindus

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Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2210820)

Hey Pat

You continue repeating (Folks, this is the 4th time) the same old stuff from o 14 (or more) years ago. What's wrong with you ?

I have explained every time you do this regarding the Ames, Baker, Elberfeld cards on that old list. But, you ignore my explanation.
Otherwise, you would refrain from sounding like a "broken record".

Give us all a break.....will you !

You look foolish, because all you are doing is providing another example of how your "resource buddies" borrowed my old Checklists
and put the data into their resource site. Not only AB 460 list, but SOVEREIGN lists, and PIEDMONT #42 list. Regarding the latter list,
Resource still has three subjects on it that do not exist. And, that is not only my opinion. It is also Adam Goldberg's opinion (who has
put together this run.
Long ago, I have explained why a few subjects on my lists dating back to 2006 - 2008 were incorrect. I subsequently corrected them.

There are some of us on this forum that have requested Resource to correct their mistakes, but none of them have been corrected !

HEY EVERYONE.....here we go again "Mr HIGH-JACKER" is trying to disrupt a meaningful thread of mine.

Just ignore him....and continue posting your favorite cards with you favorite backs.


TED Z
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Originally Posted by stutor (Post 2210941)

My favorite back is Red Cross (although it doesn’t really count in this context). And I only have 2 :(
I think Hindus are pretty cool also.

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2210707)

I refer to the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 and UZIT cards as "matched pairs". American Lithographic printed 74 cards of each, using the same pre-printed
sheets of the fronts of these 74 subjects.
My theory is....AB 460 and UZIT cards (74 each) were the final production runs of the T206 set (circa Spring 1911). Checklists will follow.
I may add that I also think that a number of LENOX cards were printed in that same timeframe.


I will start this show with my first AB 460 (Wheat), and my favorite (Cobb). I have 73 of the 74 cards in this sub-set (need only Camnitz).

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...chWheat50x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...hWheat50xb.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...obbBat25xx.jpg




And, here is my first UZIT (Schaefer) and my pride and joy (McGraw).
This sub-set is a work in progress.
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erUZITx25b.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ferUZITx25.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...UZITxSGC30.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...loveUZITxb.jpg



OK....it's your turn to Show-n-Tell some of your favorite T206 backs and as many of their cards as you desire.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2210957)

Hi Sonny

I consider RED CROSS (T215-1) cards and the 1910 COUPON cards as T206's.....so your context is valid here.


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...onmatty75x.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...nmatty75xb.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dCross50xb.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...5miller50x.jpg




TED Z

T206 Reference
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Originally Posted by Pat R (Post 2211147)

It's possible but not likely, from the journal pages we know they started packing T206 subjects in Lenox packs on October 15 1910 and they started packing T206 subjects in Uzit packs on March 18 1911.

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2211226)

There were at least 2 print runs of LENOX T206 cards. First in Fall/Winter of 1910. And, subsequently in early 1911 (about the same timeframe as the T80 cards were printed).

T206 UZIT cards were printed circa early 1911....about the same timeframe as the T80 cards. There may have been at least 2 print runs (or possibly 3).

I base this due to the fact that 28 subjects have been confirmed from the 350/460 Series (a completed print run). And, 30 (of 46) subjects have been confirmed from 460-only
Series.
Furthermore, I have a suspicion that there was a possible 3rd print run, because of the sheer scarcity of the Exclusive 12 subjects with the UZIT back (relative to the other 34
subjects in the 460-only Series).

For example......my McGraw / UZIT card is unique. From this group of Exclusive 12 guys, only 5 (of the 12) have been confirmed with UZIT back. And, only 1 or 2 copies each.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...UZITxSGC30.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...loveUZITxb.jpg


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2211226)

There were at least 2 print runs of LENOX T206 cards. First in Fall/Winter of 1910. And, subsequently in early 1911 (about the same timeframe as the T80 cards were printed).

T206 UZIT cards were printed circa early 1911....about the same timeframe as the T80 cards. There may have been at least 2 print runs (or possibly 3).

I base this due to the fact that 28 subjects have been confirmed from the 350/460 Series (a completed print run). And, 30 (of 46) subjects have been confirmed from 460-only
Series.
Furthermore, I have a suspicion that there was a possible 3rd print run, because of the sheer scarcity of the Exclusive 12 subjects with the UZIT back (relative to the other 34
subjects in the 460-only Series).

For example......my McGraw / UZIT card is unique. From this group of Exclusive 12 guys, only 5 (of the 12) have been confirmed with UZIT back. And, only 1 or 2 copies each.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...UZITxSGC30.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...loveUZITxb.jpg


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2211486)

Tell me where you are getting your numbers from regarding the 5 - Exclusive 12 cards ?

My McGraw / UZIT is the only one reported in the SGC pop report data.

And, the PSA pop report data has NONE.


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Graw%20_2_.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...UZITxSGC30.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...loveUZITxb.jpg


Furthermore, I have been working on runs of the Exclusive 12 subjects. My McGraw is complete (13 cards), Ford is 12 cards (missing the UZIT), and the remaining 10 subjects
are a constant work in progress. Unless you have done (or doing) this empirically, you will not appreciate the difficulty that it presents.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Originally Posted by Pat R (Post 2211515)

I'm not sure what you're questioning Ted but here are the pop reports on the exclusive 12 that are confirmed with Uzit

Crandall PSA 1 SGC 2
Geyer PSA 3 SGC 2
Hummel PSA 1 SGC 0
McGraw PSA 0 SGC 1
Sheckard PSA 0 SGC 1

I didn't claim that the exclusive 12 Uzit's weren't difficult but many of the 460 only subjects are just as difficult to find with an Uzit back.

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2211549)

Your original pop report numbers in Post #25 regarding Crandall, Geyer, Hummel, McGraw, and Sheckard were incorrect.

For example......you posted McGraw's UZIT pop report being 3. NOT SO !

Anyhow, I see you edited them, and corrected them to the actual numbers.

Very good.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Originally Posted by atx840 (Post 2212028)

I also like em blank :D

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3b065255_c.jpghttps://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...c0c3dd26_c.jpg