Show us some spiffy cards of your top 6 favorite T206 backs

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I refer to the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 and UZIT cards as "matched pairs". American Lithographic printed 74 cards of each, using the same pre-printed
sheets of the fronts of these 74 subjects.
My theory is....AB 460 and UZIT cards (74 each) were the final production runs of the T206 set (circa Spring 1911). Checklists will follow.
I may add that I also think that a number of LENOX cards were printed in that same timeframe.


I will start this show with my first AB 460 (Wheat), and my favorite (Cobb). I have 73 of the 74 cards in this sub-set (need only Camnitz).

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And, here is my first UZIT (Schaefer) and my pride and joy (McGraw).
This sub-set is a work in progress.
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OK....it's your turn to Show-n-Tell some of your favorite T206 backs and as many of their cards as you desire.


TED Z

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It's possible but not likely, from the journal pages we know they started packing T206 subjects in Lenox packs on October 15 1910 and they started packing T206 subjects in Uzit packs on March 18 1911.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

It's possible but not likely, from the journal pages we know they started packing T206 subjects in Lenox packs on October 15 1910 and they started packing T206 subjects in Uzit packs on March 18 1911.

There were at least 2 print runs of LENOX T206 cards. First in Fall/Winter of 1910. And, subsequently in early 1911 (about the same timeframe as the T80 cards were printed).

T206 UZIT cards were printed circa early 1911....about the same timeframe as the T80 cards. There may have been at least 2 print runs (or possibly 3).

I base this due to the fact that 28 subjects have been confirmed from the 350/460 Series (a completed print run). And, 30 (of 46) subjects have been confirmed from 460-only
Series.
Furthermore, I have a suspicion that there was a possible 3rd print run, because of the sheer scarcity of the Exclusive 12 subjects with the UZIT back (relative to the other 34
subjects in the 460-only Series).

For example......my McGraw / UZIT card is unique. From this group of Exclusive 12 guys, only 5 (of the 12) have been confirmed with UZIT back. And, only 1 or 2 copies each.


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TED Z

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

There were at least 2 print runs of LENOX T206 cards. First in Fall/Winter of 1910. And, subsequently in early 1911 (about the same timeframe as the T80 cards were printed).

T206 UZIT cards were printed circa early 1911....about the same timeframe as the T80 cards. There may have been at least 2 print runs (or possibly 3).

I base this due to the fact that 28 subjects have been confirmed from the 350/460 Series (a completed print run). And, 30 (of 46) subjects have been confirmed from 460-only
Series.
Furthermore, I have a suspicion that there was a possible 3rd print run, because of the sheer scarcity of the Exclusive 12 subjects with the UZIT back (relative to the other 34
subjects in the 460-only Series).

For example......my McGraw / UZIT card is unique. From this group of Exclusive 12 guys, only 5 (of the 12) have been confirmed with UZIT back. And, only 1 or 2 copies each.


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TED Z

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Yes I agree that there was more than one printing of the Lenox cards since they include two different print groups (three if you count the super prints) and I did say it's possible that the 460 only Lenox subjects were printed in the same timeframe as the Uzits but with the 5 month gap in the print group 3 (350-460) distribution of the Lenox and Uzits I think it's unlikely.

[tedzan]

Hey guys,

Now imagine this...... opening a LENOX (or UZIT) cigarette pack in the Spring of 1911 and finding a T206 card and a T80 card in it.... WOW ! !
An ALC ledger sheet (dated Feb 1911) exists instructing ATC employees at Factory #30 to insert both a T206 and a T80 in a LENOX (or UZIT)
cigarette pack.

At the beginning of 1911, American Litho (ALC) launched their Gold-Border series of cards. The T80 cards depicting worldwide Military subjects were one of their 1st issues.
The artwork of the T80's is very distinctive, and their gold borders are quite ornate. ALC concluded their T206 production in the Spring of 1911 with AMERICAN BEAUTY 460
and UZIT cards. The AB 460 and UZIT cards were printed in the same timeframe. Also, the last print run of LENOX cards was (more or less) within that same timeframe.


T80 cards



T80 cards were also printed with OLD MILL backs, which are extremely rare.


TED Z

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

There were at least 2 print runs of LENOX T206 cards. First in Fall/Winter of 1910. And, subsequently in early 1911 (about the same timeframe as the T80 cards were printed).

T206 UZIT cards were printed circa early 1911....about the same timeframe as the T80 cards. There may have been at least 2 print runs (or possibly 3).

I base this due to the fact that 28 subjects have been confirmed from the 350/460 Series (a completed print run). And, 30 (of 46) subjects have been confirmed from 460-only
Series.
Furthermore, I have a suspicion that there was a possible 3rd print run, because of the sheer scarcity of the Exclusive 12 subjects with the UZIT back (relative to the other 34
subjects in the 460-only Series).

For example......my McGraw / UZIT card is unique. From this group of Exclusive 12 guys, only 5 (of the 12) have been confirmed with UZIT back. And, only 1 or 2 copies each.


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TED Z

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Again Ted I'm not saying there wasn't multiple print runs for the Uzit backs but the numbers don't back up this claim of yours.

Of the 30 confirmed 460 only Uzit cards over a third have a combined pop of 0 or 1 and 20 have 3 or fewer. Here are the combined PSA/SGC pop numbers with the confirmed exclusive 12 singled out

5 confirmed cards have 0 in the pop reports
9 confirmed cards have 1 in the pop reports Hummel, Sheckard, McGraw
3 confirmed cards have 2 in the pop reports
3 confirmed cards have 3 in the pop reports Crandall
0 confirmed cards have 4 in the pop reports
1 confirmed card has 5 in the pop reports Geyer
3 confirmed cards have 6 in the pop reports
1 confirmed card has 7 in the pop reports
1 confirmed card has 8 in the pop reports
0 confirmed cards have 9 in the pop reports
1 confirmed card has 10 in the pop reports
1 confirmed card has 11 in the pop reports
1 confirmed card has 12 in the pop reports
1 confirmed card has 12 in the pop reports

16 unconfirmed 460 only uzits Devore, Duffy, Ford, Gandil, Pfeffer, Tannehill, Wheat

all of this looks like a typical scarce back pop report to me and nothing stands out about the exclusive 12

[tedzan]

Tell me where you are getting your numbers from regarding the 5 - Exclusive 12 cards ?

My McGraw / UZIT is the only one reported in the SGC pop report data.

And, the PSA pop report data has NONE.





Furthermore, I have been working on runs of the Exclusive 12 subjects. My McGraw is complete (13 cards), Ford is 12 cards (missing the UZIT), and the remaining 10 subjects
are a constant work in progress. Unless you have done (or doing) this empirically, you will not appreciate the difficulty that it presents.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Tell me where you are getting your numbers from regarding the 5 - Exclusive 12 cards ?

My McGraw / UZIT is the only one reported in the SGC pop report data.

And, the PSA pop report data has NONE.





Furthermore, I have been working on runs of the Exclusive 12 subjects. My McGraw is complete (13 cards), Ford is 12 cards (missing the UZIT), and the remaining 10 subjects
are a constant work in progress. Unless you have done (or doing) this empirically, you will not appreciate the difficulty that it presents.


TED Z

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I'm not sure what you're questioning Ted but here are the pop reports on the exclusive 12 that are confirmed with Uzit

Crandall PSA 1 SGC 2
Geyer PSA 3 SGC 2
Hummel PSA 1 SGC 0
McGraw PSA 0 SGC 1
Sheckard PSA 0 SGC 1

I didn't claim that the exclusive 12 Uzit's weren't difficult but many of the 460 only subjects are just as difficult to find with an Uzit back.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

I'm not sure what you're questioning Ted but here are the pop reports on the exclusive 12 that are confirmed with Uzit

Crandall PSA 1 SGC 2
Geyer PSA 3 SGC 2
Hummel PSA 1 SGC 0
McGraw PSA 0 SGC 1
Sheckard PSA 0 SGC 1

I didn't claim that the exclusive 12 Uzit's weren't difficult but many of the 460 only subjects are just as difficult to find with an Uzit back.

Your original pop report numbers in Post #25 regarding Crandall, Geyer, Hummel, McGraw, and Sheckard were incorrect.

For example......you posted McGraw's UZIT pop report being 3. NOT SO !

Anyhow, I see you edited them, and corrected them to the actual numbers.

Very good.


TED Z

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Your original pop report numbers in Post #25 regarding Crandall, Geyer, Hummel, McGraw, and Sheckard were incorrect.

For example......you posted McGraw's UZIT pop report being 3. NOT SO !

Anyhow, I see you edited them, and corrected them to the actual numbers.

Very good.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Ted the time I edited the post is right there to read it was 23 minutes before you made your post, the only thing I changed was McGraw I had him in the Pop 2 column because I made a mistake I didn't have him in the pop 3 column as you claim and I didn't change Crandall, Geyer, Hummel or Sheckard they were all correct in my original post.