Jeter - minus 1? WTF??

[pclpads]

First, I'm neither a Jeter fan, nor a Yankees fan, so, no sour grapes or an axe to grind here. But, how could a supposed, informed baseball writer / voter deny Jeter a unanimous selection to the HOF? I fully realize there is one in every crowd, but this is inexcusable. This BBWAA HOF voting member should be stripped / barred from any future HOF balloting participation. Quite possibly it's the same moron who did this to Griffey, denying him unanimous election. That said, congrats to Mr. Jeter for an exemplary career and honor.

[drcy]

Jeter is clearly overrated, people thinking he deserved a higher HOF percentage than Ruth, Mays et al.

[Jim65]

I just don't understand why getting 99.7% is considered an insult or an injustice. Jeter got the highest percentage of any Shortstop in history. Thats not good enough?

[swarmee]

They probably didn't get a gift basket when they left his apartment, or didn't like the way he followed tradition and gutted the Marlins.

[mq711]

Originally Posted by swarmee

They probably didn't get a gift basket when they left his apartment, or didn't like the way he followed tradition and gutted the Marlins.

Didn’t consider the Marlins angle but should have lost more than one vote for screwing the South Florida fans.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Jim65

I just don't understand why getting 99.7% is considered an insult or an injustice. Jeter got the highest percentage of any Shortstop in history. Thats not good enough?

Jeter is probably number 2 in terms of vote percentage for HOF enshrinement. He only missed by 1 to be unanimous.

I'm not sure if it's an injustice or insult, but it does show that there are voters that may not care for a player. I mean really - Babe Ruth not unanimous?

There are several players that should have been unanimous picks. The fact that it took Mariano to be the first was surprising. Not saying he didn't deserve to be unanimous.

Some writers just have their heads up their ass.

[Jcfowler6]

It’s over 75%. Does it really matter after that?


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[trambo]

I read somewhere when Griffey wasn’t unanimous that there is one voter who will not vote for a player in their first year of eligibility regardless. If memory serves, this voter agreed to do so at the request of former voters who had done the same. I think it stems from a voter over Ruth not being unanimous.

Not sure if any of the above is true but I definitely remember reading something like that.

[GeoPoto]

I think everybody thought that went away when Rivera got 100%. But it is his (or her) vote and they don't have to explain it. Maybe he didn't want to "waste" it on a foregone conclusion, since everybody had decided Jeter couldn't miss before the vote. There are arguably 10 other deserving candidates on the ballot. Maybe tragedy intervened. We do have human voters.

[packs]

I think the conversation should start with WHY JETER? Mariano Rivera was maybe the greatest inning per inning pitcher of all time. There has never been another one like him and there probably won't be again. Jeter is a HOF player but he's not more than that. I don't think he was ever really considered the best shortstop in baseball at any one point in his career. Knowing that, how can there be so much support for 100% induction?

[Snapolit1]

Typical Yankee fan response:

I'm outraged that Jeter didn't get 100% of the votes.

Who is Larry Walker?

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From 538.com:

Still, in some ways, Jeter would have been a curious choice to become the Hall of Fame’s first unanimous position player. He never won an MVP award, though he had eight top-10 finishes. He never led the league in batting, on-base percentage, slugging or WAR in any of his 20 seasons. He was named AL Player of the Month only once (August 1998). He ranks 88th all-time in WAR.

Jeter’s game also had a glaring weakness: He had a suspect glove. His five Gold Gloves were likely based more on reputation than skill, according to metrics that have long regarded Jeter as a poor defender. Jeter has the worst Defensive Runs Saved total (-152) since the stat was first recorded in 2003. The stat measures a defender’s ability to convert batted balls to outs relative to his positional peers. Had he played in today’s game, Jeter might very well have been moved off of shortstop. Yet Jeter played all 23,225 2/3 of his career innings in the field at one of the game’s most demanding defensive positions.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by GeoPoto

I think everybody thought that went away when Rivera got 100%. But it is his (or her) vote and they don't have to explain it. Maybe he didn't want to "waste" it on a foregone conclusion, since everybody had decided Jeter couldn't miss before the vote. There are arguably 10 other deserving candidates on the ballot. Maybe tragedy intervened. We do have human voters.

This is the one argument against voting for an obvious choice that should have been unanimous I have heard over the years that makes sense to me.

The guys who just don't think anyone deserves 100% of the vote should not be allowed to vote at all. It was just as ridiculous when Babe Ruth was left off some ballots as it has been with most other first ballot HOFers.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

This is the one argument against voting for an obvious choice that should have been unanimous I have heard over the years that makes sense to me.

The guys who just don't think anyone deserves 100% of the vote should not be allowed to vote at all. It was just as ridiculous when Babe Ruth was left off some ballots as it has been with most other first ballot HOFers.

If votes are supposed to be preordained and people will be booted off and pitchforks taken up because they vote differently on issues, there shouldn't be votes. Apparently, some people think voting means you get to choose between Yes and Yes.

I am in general suspicious of unanimous votes, because it often indicates groupthink and a lot of yes men.

Besides, as far as HOF enshrinement goes, the induction percentage is just trivial trivia. As DiMaggio and Jimmy Foxx demonstrate, it's not an indication of anything significant. No one, including here, looks at induction percentages when ranking Pre-War players. No one anywhere says Robin Yount is better than Joe DiMaggio (And I say that as a Robin Yount fan).

[brian1961]

Originally Posted by pclpads

First, I'm neither a Jeter fan, nor a Yankees fan, so, no sour grapes or an axe to grind here. But, how could a supposed, informed baseball writer / voter deny Jeter a unanimous selection to the HOF? I fully realize there is one in every crowd, but this is inexcusable. This BBWAA HOF voting member should be stripped / barred from any future HOF balloting participation.

Look Dave, the highly informed BBWAA did NOT even vote Yankee great Joe DiMaggio into the hall on his first year of eligibility, 1953. It wasn't even close, bro; Joe finished a distant 8th in the 1953 balloting. Moreover, he wasn't elected in his second year of eligibility, either. Finally, in the third year, he was enshrined. So much for instant gratification!

In case you were wondering, the waiting period before a retired player was eligible was different in those years.

--- Brian Powell

[BeanTown]

Whoever didn't vote him in is just a hater. What justification does the one writer have for not allowing? I would love to see the other players this writer has voted for and then we compare the stats! Jim Grey comes to mind as I can't stand that guy.

[Tripredacus]

Maybe he voted for Shawn Jeter by accident.

[pclpads]

To quote Rodney Dangerfield: "Tough crowd, tough crowd." Geez, some of these replies make me feel like I stepped in a fresh, steaming pile of dog shit. Wow!

[thetruthisoutthere]

I don't understand the controversy about this; there isn't any.

Derek would have reacted with the same elegance whether it was 100% or 75%.

He was humbled to get voted in.

Overrated? No!!!

How many so-called stars where never able to handle the spotlight called New York.

Whatever anyone's opinion is, he is in the HOF; he possesses five WS rings (and earned them); he played the equivalent of one season in the playoffs and WS; his career average is .310; his Post-Season average is .308; 3,465 hits, etc.

And he handled the media like no one else could have.

Yeah, he's overrated.

Please.....

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by pclpads

First, I'm neither a Jeter fan, nor a Yankees fan, so, no sour grapes or an axe to grind here. But, how could a supposed, informed baseball writer / voter deny Jeter a unanimous selection to the HOF? I fully realize there is one in every crowd, but this is inexcusable. This BBWAA HOF voting member should be stripped / barred from any future HOF balloting participation. Quite possibly it's the same moron who did this to Griffey, denying him unanimous election. That said, congrats to Mr. Jeter for an exemplary career and honor.

I’ll make this very simple....enough already with Jeter not getting 100% of the vote. Ruth, Cobb, Mathewson, Johnson, Wagner, Mays, Musial, Young, Williams, Aaron, etc., etc., etc., ALL weren’t unanimous, and that is a much greater tragedy than Jeter falling short. Bottom line is ALL of our National Pastime’s immortals merit the 100% honor so why is everyone making such a big deal about Jeter falling one vote short.....get over it.

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

I’ll make this very simple....enough already with Jeter not getting 100% of the vote. Ruth, Cobb, Mathewson, Johnson, Wagner, Mays, Musial, Young, Williams, Aaron, etc., etc., etc., ALL weren’t unanimous, and that is a much greater tragedy than Jeter falling short. Bottom line is ALL of our National Pastime’s immortals merit the 100% honor so why is everyone making such a big deal about Jeter falling one vote short.....get over it.

Agree. My beef is with the names you mentioned above as well as, if not more, than Jeter.

But at the end of the day, the definition of a HOFer is whether you are in or not. Doesn't matter if a player was elected after he died or many years after his career or unanimously in his first year of eligibility. Everyone gets a plaque on the inside of the building and the right to say that they were/are a HOFer.

[ullmandds]

I'm not sure why it's such a tragedy the inaugural class was not inducted unanimously?

The HOF was brand new!

Presumably most...if not all people voting at that time knew most if not all of the players that were ultimately inducted...and at that time there was nothing to base their votes on what makes one "worthy" of the HOF.

Certainly some voters had opinions...based on 1st hand experience with these players that affected their votes?

Some of these players had questionable moral character...maybe cheated in some ways.

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

maybe cheated in some ways.

So, would you consider Ruth as a cheater if he drank during prohibition? Using a banned substance good or bad for you is irrelevant.

[cammb]

Originally Posted by pclpads

First, I'm neither a Jeter fan, nor a Yankees fan, so, no sour grapes or an axe to grind here. But, how could a supposed, informed baseball writer / voter deny Jeter a unanimous selection to the HOF? I fully realize there is one in every crowd, but this is inexcusable. This BBWAA HOF voting member should be stripped / barred from any future HOF balloting participation. Quite possibly it's the same moron who did this to Griffey, denying him unanimous election. That said, congrats to Mr. Jeter for an exemplary career and honor.

Spoken like a true yankee fan

[jchcollins]

How is it possibly rational to suggest stripping the writer of his BBWAA credentials for not making Jeter unanimous, when for all but one person ever in the HOF, it has NEVER worked that way? That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve read in a while. Babe Ruth wasn’t unanimous. Walter Johnson wasn’t, Willie Mays wasn’t, Griffey Jr. wasn’t. It’s how it works. Get over it.


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