Old Judge Proof?

[bn2cardz]

I know studio photos used in Old Judge Cabinets are considered "proofs" in the hobby. What about this card that ended last night in Baggers (previously in a Mile High Auction in October):

Link to Auction: Lot # 16 - 1889 Goodwin Cabinet Proof - John Leighton, Omaha - FAIR


My question is does it look period and is it possible that it is just a photo from a studio that was pasted to another board at another time? I ask because I know of other cards that were being sold as "proofs" that were done at a later time.

[Runscott]

The print itself (not the mount) should have near-perfect corners. Why wouldn't it?

[slidekellyslide]

I don't believe it is a proof...I believe there was a larger display of Omaha players that these cabinets were taken off of years ago.

[oldjudge]

It's a trimmed N173

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

It's a trimmed N173

So you believe the bottom was cut off? What about the rough corners on the picture itself as pointed out by Scott?


Also forgot to mention in the original post, that I was the winner of this because I thought the clarity of the image was still very nice and could fill the N173 hole in my collection. (The verified n173 in the auction was way too dull in contrast, to do it for me and never got a bid at $200 so others must have felt the same way).

[triwak]

Sure looks like a trimmed N173 to me. I own this one.

[Joe_G.]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

It's a trimmed N173

I second . . . ah, third that motion.

Originally Posted by z28jd

Are the known N173 poses going to be listed in your next book, Jay? I have one that I haven't seen anywhere else.

John, are you saying you have an N173 that features a pose we didn't capture in the book? If so, there are already 34 poses in the Book that are currently only known in cabinet form, yours would push that to 35. Who is it?, time for show & tell.

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

John, are you saying you have an N173 that features a pose we didn't capture in the book? If so, there are already 34 poses in the Book that are currently only known in cabinet form, yours would push that to 35. Who is it?, time for show & tell.

No, it's a pose I've never seen pictured or mentioned as an N173. Fred Carroll batting. No scans though, I got my two N173 cards before I had a scanner and I've never got around to scanning them. Give me time, it's only been 14 years

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Runscott

The print itself (not the mount) should have near-perfect corners. Why wouldn't it?

That is a good point. That is also why I ask if it could essentially be a "skinned" portrait put on another mount later on.

[packs]

I don't think they are proofs or were issued when the N173 cabinets were. These types of cabinets only seem to mainly exist for Omaha players. It also seems like most (but not all) of the "N173 Proof Glass Negatives" are of Omaha players.

Not sure why Omaha, but I don't think they are contemporary to the set being distributed.