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I don't know how that grades a 9 without addressing the sheet cut. Last edited by Casey2296; 11-13-2022 at 06:27 PM. |
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I thought someone years ago listed a lot of these that had been graded by SGC but noted they were trimmed or sheet cut. REA maybe?
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In the context of uncut material, it was destroyed; cut up into individual components of cards. The uncut sheet does not exist. As far as I can tell no photograph of it before it ceased to exist was taken to preserve the layout.
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Ramly, T.T.T. and 456 may or may not be ATC. I haven't seen any real proof either way, but because the sheet no longer is extant I never dug too hard either. If they weren't ATC, it may have been done in the same general ATC & affiliates card promotion anyways, like I suspect E229 was. If it was done by them, the sheet layout seems odd, because, while we don't the layout, it appears to have only had 1 card of a subject on a sheet. |
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Meanwhile, I saw the Wajo in person at the Philly show -- it is very pretty. Regarding sheet-cut cards, do you think what SGC did -- grade it but note its sheet cut -- makes sense? Its not authentic ("A") to the extent it was never included with the tobacco it advertised. Also, it really has not been altered, except with respect to its place on the larger sheet, and all cards were at some point cut from sheets. You have T206 brown old mills, which all come with an A designation, which were never put into packs, and were all sheet cut (often with wavy borders). You have most T215 pirates cut from a sheet and they all get A designations. Meanwhile there are plenty of hand cut strip and other cards that get numerical grades but are designated "hand cut" (sometimes incorrectly). Seems that SGC grading it and designating it sheet cut makes sense. I know this is a side track of the main topic, and perhaps its been discussed before, but I really don't know the nuances of grading and this is interesting, like the T206 Wagner Last edited by Rhotchkiss; 11-13-2022 at 06:07 PM. |
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I believe these were in A slabs originally. Not sure what happened to get them re-holdered into the more advantageous '1-10 with a note' format. EDIT: I see Peter linked to the original A slabs before this post now. I know most people who come into this kind of material will cut them up, but it would be great if they could at least preserve for us all what it looked like before being cut for dollars. Last edited by G1911; 11-13-2022 at 06:23 PM. |
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Another, separate note of interest about this sheet is that, apparently, it is said to have had 1 copy of most of the cards, as I recall. Yet over half the set isn't found with the T.T.T. backs (I believe we are at 49 confirmed of 50 suspected), which would generally have indicated to us that sheets had no more than that number of different subjects at most. My only Ramyl's are an atrociously trimmed TTT O'Leary and a blank back (not skinned) of Rube Manning. They are gorgeous cards. |
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Did you see these boxing sheets from the T220 Silver Series that recently came to market on Ebay? Unique. Last edited by GasHouseGang; 11-13-2022 at 07:27 PM. |
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I appreciate the uniqueness and coolness of uncut material. As far as I have been able to ascertain, the large majority of uncut material from the 1909-1912 promotional project credited to the ATC and AL but also including others that still exists is in my personal collection. I love ‘em, they are special, they are not special in the context of certifying handcut cards, beyond the value these have to the research side. |
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To each his/her own, as they say, but to me, a final production-run uncut sheet is much more "special" than a regular card. For my money, if I had a choice of owning the finest example of any card, or the same card in an uncut final production-run sheet with good eye appeal where there are no condition issues with that key card, it would be a no-brainer for me to select the sheet. That others disagree, I totally respect, and this is why collecting is subjective and so much fun. |
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