Babe Ruth single-signed baseball... but with TTA Authentication

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Jake, I would love to know what you mean by "It's a fabulous fake signature and anyone on this board would be hard pressed to say it was a fake if TTA wasn't mentioned."

i think its a pretty straightforward statement.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i think its a pretty straightforward statement.

Travis, are you related to Jake or a spokesperson for him? I am asking Jake.

[Splinte1941]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Travis, are you related to Jake or a spokesperson for him? I am asking Jake.

Thanks Travis.

I meant what I said. If that's not straightforward enough for you, I can't help that.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Splinte1941

Thanks Travis.

I meant what I said. If that's not straightforward enough for you, I can't help that.

So, Jake, based on your comment, you're calling that Babe Ruth a "pretty good forgery." Correct?

[Splinte1941]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

So, Jake, based on your comment, you're calling that Babe Ruth a "pretty good forgery." Correct?

I don't know what it is. If its a forgery I would say yes, it's better than others that I've been told are forgeries.

Your little game is what gets me. How can anyone claim they are an "expert" in these autographs? From studying alleged authentic versions?

At the end of the day it's a maddening series of guesses based on provenance, a few unquestioned examples and anything else you want to throw into the mix.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Splinte1941

I don't know what it is. If its a forgery I would say yes, it's better than others that I've been told are forgeries.

Your little game is what gets me. How can anyone claim they are an "expert" in these autographs? From studying alleged authentic versions?

At the end of the day it's a maddening series of guesses based on provenance, a few unquestioned examples and anything else you want to throw into the mix.

For someone who doesn't know me, you sure have a lot to say. In all of the years I've been writing and doing videos on autographs, I have never claimed to be an expert.

What's "your little game," Jake?

By the way, there are two obvious items wrong with that ball that I observed immediately. And no, I will not share what I know. Only one other person here knows what I am referring to.

[Splinte1941]

[QUOTE=thetruthisoutthere;993760]For someone who doesn't know me, you sure have a lot to say. In all of the years I've been writing and doing videos on autographs, I have never claimed to be an expert.

What's "your little game," Jake?

By the way, there are two obvious items wrong with that ball that I observed immediately. And no, I will not share what I know. Only one other person here knows what I am referring to.[/

I'm playing games!?!? Read your last post.

[travrosty]

Jake, you figured it out.

if its a abc or xyz guesstimate, then its always good in the minds of some who only care about the company name on the cert, if it's not then its always bad. the actual autograph is of little consequence anymore.

they know no more about ruth than anyone else. Ruth's autograph has been corrupted beyond repair by all these certifications, many which look the same as the certifications by the companies they don't like and always call fake.

Switch the two balls around that i showed with the authentications, and the "good" one would still be fabulous and the tta one still fake, just like it is right now only vice versa.

it's a shell game only there is no ball under any of the shells. so people don't bother looking under the shells anymore. if the shell says company ABC on it, then people will trust there is a ball under there, and any other name on the shell, they will call it bad, whether the company deserves the criticism or not.

Jake, the shells are glued down. You lose and the people on the inner circle with connections that are close to these companies win. And you will never be in that group.

[Splinte1941]

Oh, I've figured it out Travis. The entire thing is comical. I applaud the big two for understanding the market, cornering it, and then, as you correctly pointed out, making their COAs more valuable than the signatures they are rubber-stamping. It's total genius and as businessmen, they should be applauded. As authenticators, that's for someone else to decide.

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Jake, you figured it out.

if its a abc or xyz guesstimate, then its always good in the minds of some who only care about the company name on the cert, if it's not then its always bad. the actual autograph is of little consequence anymore.

I'm not sure where you can point to anybody saying "I don't need to look at the auto, it's PSA/DNA and/or JSA."

There are a helluva lot of us willing to dismiss a TTA certed ball without looking at the sig, though. For me, PSA or JSA means I will look at the auto. TTA, Morales, AAU, many others, I'm done. They may (in a snowball's chance) be real, but I'm done. Not worth my time.

Originally Posted by travrosty

they know no more about ruth than anyone else. Ruth's autograph has been corrupted beyond repair by all these certifications, many which look the same as the certifications by the companies they don't like and always call fake.

Switch the two balls around that i showed with the authentications, and the "good" one would still be fabulous and the tta one still fake, just like it is right now only vice versa.

You're right about Ruth. The forgers have practiced a lot with his auto, as the prices are too good not to have.

Originally Posted by travrosty

it's a shell game only there is no ball under any of the shells. so people don't bother looking under the shells anymore. if the shell says company ABC on it, then people will trust there is a ball under there, and any other name on the shell, they will call it bad, whether the company deserves the criticism or not.

Jake, the shells are glued down. You lose and the people on the inner circle with connections that are close to these companies win. And you will never be in that group.

Again, where can you point to examples of net54 members blindly accepting any cert? Maybe there are numerous examples, but I don't see them. You can continue to get pissed off that people are dismissing this auto because of a non-alphabet cert, but nothing you say will stop me from doing so.

And here's the thing: most (not all) of the PSA and JSA certed autos I've seen have been legit. Keep posting counter-examples here; I enjoy and learn when you do. But most are legit. That means when I see their cert, I look closer. But there are other certs with which I don't bother looking closer. This ball has one of them.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i think its a pretty straightforward statement.

Travis, you and I have major differences of opinions when it comes to the hobby, and at this point, we probably don't like each other.

Approximately a month ago I stopped myself from allowing you to bait me into those petty squabbles that we would go back & forth on (the ones that would piss off the other members and I don't blame for being pissed) and I would like to keep it that way. The other two members here that used to bait me, are on my ignore list, so I can no longer see their comments.

So, with all due respect, if I address a certain member with a question, please don't reply to it. I have no idea why you continue to bait me, but I ask that you stop for the sake of the other members.

[travrosty]

I dont dislilke you, you are okay.


I am not baiting anybody. i have my opinion too. free speech is for everybody.

like you said, there is an ignore button. i dont have anyone on ignore, but if you want to , use it.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

I dont dislilke you, you are okay.


I am not baiting anybody. i have my opinion too. free speech is for everybody.

like you said, there is an ignore button. i dont have anyone on ignore, but if you want to , use it.

Travis, I would never put you ignore as I enjoy reading your comments. All I ask is that we spare the members taking up space with our squabbles. What I mean by that, is, when you would post something about PSA/JSA and I would post my Mueller comments & files. I think we can agree that we got a little childish with that, and that's why I eventually stopped.

Of course, I expect us to have our differences of opinions on certain subjects. It is what it is. As long as we keep it civil, it's all good, Travis.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

The other two members here that used to bait me, are on my ignore list, so I can no longer see their comments.

That ignore list is the numero uno app on Net54 .