Was I Shilled??

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Yes, eliminating price fixing and overcharging has always led to....higher prices? Great critical thinking. And you wonder why you're poor?

My point was that if you eliminate shill bidding you would then see price fixing and overcharging as a result. How would you recommend we get rid of all the BINs on ebay and get back to a world where baseball card sellers felt comfortable letting the chips fall where they may on price at auction?

Also what is your secret to being rich and having a collection so good that you would say someone else's collection sucks?

[calvindog]

My secret is I don't spend hours twisting myself into a pretzel trying to convince myself and others that fraud in our hobby is a non-issue. Actually, now you're claiming that shill bidding is good for our hobby. Good logic.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

My secret is I don't spend hours twisting myself into a pretzel trying to convince myself and others that fraud in our hobby is a non-issue. Actually, now you're claiming that shill bidding is good for our hobby. Good logic.

Nope. just saying you shouldn't expect lower prices and more cards if you eliminate the fraud.

[calvindog]

And that's based on pure guesswork, not facts. If you simply removed the shill bidding beneath ceiling bids in auction house auctions the final hammer prices would have been lower on hundreds of cards over the years.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

And that's based on pure guesswork, not facts. If you simply removed the shill bidding beneath ceiling bids in auction house auctions the final hammer prices would have been lower on hundreds of cards over the years.

As they say in ECON 101, "Assume a can opener."

[calvindog]

Another meaningless comment. Are you capable of embarrassment?

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Another meaningless comment. Are you capable of embarrassment?

The point is there will never be a world without shilling, so to explain what the world would look like in such an alternate universe will always be "pure guesswork, not fact." All economic theory is subject to various "assumptions" -- even can openers. If you haven't heard the joke, no matter. I just explained the premise.

Maybe if I was always charged with only making a jury of my peers have a reasonable doubt, i would reduce my arguments like you do. Let's sum up the bidding -- my collection sucks, I am poor. Shilling is fraud, and fraud is bad. All further debate is wrong and makes me an embarassment.

You do great work convincing people who already agree with you. The people who disagree with you aren't worth your very expensive time.